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re: I'm taking legal action against the Office of Motor Vehicles
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:03 pm to eitek1
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:03 pm to eitek1
quote:Sorry for speaking in absolutes...it's a nearly negligible part of the American workforce that isn't required to pay FICA (off the top of my head, some resident/non-resident aliens, some clergy, university student employees and a few gov positions are exempt). Your son wouldn't qualify for a majority of these positions being an US citizen. As far as I know, government jobs require the new employees to register on E-Verify, which requires the employee's SSN
There are groups in the US currently that don't pay FICA. I'm not trying to argue with you but this is a verifiable fact.
You also have to consider the other employment taxes of FUTA and SUTA, which require the employee to have a SSN/ITIN. Your son would be looking for a job that's exempt of ALL employment taxes...so student employee with a very low salary cap, maybe a few clergy positions.
Or he can earn money under the table or from illegal activities. Still supposed to pay tax on those types of income though (there are instructions on the IRS website on how to properly report drug money and assets acquired from theft). So even these income sources technically require your son to have a SSN.
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Everyone is saying he HAS to sign up for social security, and they may be right. But, all those people people were equally sure it was impossible to get a driver's license without a social security number.
What everyone was told and what everyone believed was wrong. Even when the law specifically said I was correct in plain English.
Congrats on the win, but a state department of motor vehicle and the IRS aren't comparable. The Internal Revenue Code is pretty clear on what is and isn't allowed. It's not a fun read and you can barely consider it English, but you should read the sections that pertain to taxpayer identification number and gloss over all the court cases that have challenged various aspects of it. I think you'll find a SSN isn't the hill you want your son to die on.
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Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:20 pm to eitek1
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Thus all made the OT even madder. Particularly Dr.EdgeLSU, who appears to be irrationally mad, but I may know why.
LOL. Why am I mad? Please explain.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:21 pm to eitek1
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Everyone is saying he HAS to sign up for social security, and they may be right. But, all those people people were equally sure it was impossible to get a driver's license without a social security number.
Give. It. Up.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:24 pm to The Nino
Your logic and knowledge will fall on deaf ears.
He won, man. He did this for all of us.
He’s a hero.
He won, man. He did this for all of us.
He’s a hero.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:36 pm to Bullfrog
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I just used my dad’s for my first few jobs until I got mine when I was 1/2 way through LSU. He can probably do the same.
Jr. already has a passport. He’ll be fine.
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SS#’s have become the biblical mark of the beast.
So why did you end up getting one?
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:40 pm to eitek1
Interesting thread. My county website says a SS card is required documentation for a permit. If you follow the links it says that the card is required for all who have been assigned or are eligible. Can you come sue them too?
Posted on 4/12/25 at 1:02 pm to forkedintheroad
I'm wondering if this thread is even legit. It all hinges on a SS law that states no state agency shall deny benefits because a SSN is not disclosed, but it has two major exceptions:
So if this is legit, either LA did not have a DMV before 75 or they didnt require an SSN at that time
quote:
the[330] provisions of paragraph (1) of this subsection shall not apply with respect to—
(A) any disclosure which is required by Federal statute, or
(B) the disclosure of a social security number to any Federal, State, or local agency maintaining a system of records in existence and operating before January 1, 1975, if such disclosure was required under statute or regulation adopted prior to such date to verify the identity of an individual.
So if this is legit, either LA did not have a DMV before 75 or they didnt require an SSN at that time
Posted on 4/12/25 at 1:05 pm to eitek1
I’m with you on this. I resent the hell out of needing my ss# for everything! Believe it or not, your social security number was never supposed to be used for identification purposes. That promise is the only way they got it passed. Look at it now. You can’t do shite without it.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:48 pm to ATrillionaire
I went to the dark side. All good now.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:59 pm to eitek1
Just don’t ever file a tax return and he’ll be good.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:58 pm to 0x15E
Last I checked, contrary to what the Demon Party wants, this is not a dictatorship.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 2:38 am to TigerSooner
This fricking post... 
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:00 am to SuperSaint
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Sounds like you've decided to make both you and your son's lives unnecessarily complicated
Um
Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:14 pm to eitek1
You will need two out of three to get gainful employment
Ss card
Drivers lic
Birth certificate
Ss card
Drivers lic
Birth certificate
Posted on 4/13/25 at 4:41 pm to eitek1
I like the concept, but I don’t see this ending anyway other than your son still having SS pull out of his paychecks, even if he can’t draw on it later.
I wish I had the option to opt out, even back when I was only 16y/o.
I wish I had the option to opt out, even back when I was only 16y/o.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 5:19 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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LOL. Why am I mad? Please explain.
You wouldn't happen to be the attorney that was sent by the governors office to the hearing, would you?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 5:27 pm to TheBoogeyman
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You must be a blast at parties
No chance he goes to parties
Posted on 4/13/25 at 5:36 pm to eitek1
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You wouldn't happen to be the attorney that was sent by the governors office to the hearing, would you?
Oh jfc you sound sane
Edit: that was me idiot. In fact, Landry specifically ensured I was there bc he heard it was your hearing
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 4/14/25 at 6:44 am to eitek1
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You wouldn't happen to be the attorney that was sent by the governors office to the hearing, would you?
Uh, no.
I don’t have to have a vested interest in this case to think this is dumb.
Now I’ll just add delusional and fanatic to words that can describe you.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 7:45 am to The Nino
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it's a nearly negligible part of the American workforce that isn't required to pay FICA (off the top of my head, some resident/non-resident aliens, some clergy, university student employees and a few gov positions are exempt).
Minors do not pay FICA either.
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