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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:22 am to DakIsNoLB
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If I'm reading this right, if Louisiana required it before Jan 1, 1975, then they possibly can still lawfully require it.
They didn't require it before 1975, I got my license in '86 and didn't have a SS number.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:25 am to SuperSaint
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Sounds like you've decided to make both you and your son's lives unnecessarily complicated
This shite attitude is why we pay property taxes (rent), drivers licenses, hunting/fishing licenses, business licenses, sales taxes, income taxes, tariffs, car tags, boat tags, etc, etc, etc. We have become a nation of pussies and are too comfortable to push back on any infringement. Our forefathers started a revolution and fought and died to found this country over an import tax on tea. It’s amazing how far we have fallen and how much we allow the gov’t into our lives.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:30 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:what are you pushing back on?
We have become a nation of pussies and are too comfortable to push back on any infringement.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:40 am to eitek1
I read the entire thread.
I am a dad with three kids.
I literally can't think of anything I've done that knowingly is going to make my kids' lives more complicated unnecessarily.
Congrats to you, though. Seems like quite the hill to die on.
I am a dad with three kids.
I literally can't think of anything I've done that knowingly is going to make my kids' lives more complicated unnecessarily.
Congrats to you, though. Seems like quite the hill to die on.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:41 am to DrEdgeLSU
Oh, and the obligatory "I bet you are fun at parties."
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:42 am to WDE24
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What are the ramifications that he needs to understand?
As of right now, the ramifications are "you can't legally drive a car or practice driving with an adult supervisor."
"Oh yeah, Dad, that's cool. Hold that up as long as you need to prove a point. What was the point again?"
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:46 am to DrEdgeLSU
when I was 15 I would have cut off a finger to get my DL
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:48 am to cgrand
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what are you pushing back on?
A non-existent state requirement that my son apply for a voluntary program with the federal government prior to allowing him to exercise his driving privilege.
No one who thinks this is stupid has answered my question.
Why is the state demaning your social security number?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:51 am to BeachDude022
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You actually found a lawyer to take this case?
If he's billing and OP is good for the money, it wouldn't be hard to get a lawyer to take this case or any case
OP, are you a Sovereign Citizen wacko?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:53 am to eitek1
because a state issued drivers license is the default ID for 99.9999% of citizens and residents of the United States. It is the path of least resistance for them to verify identity and residency and it works because that same 99.9999% of people get a SSN at birth
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:27 am to cgrand
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because a state issued drivers license is the default ID for 99.9999% of citizens and residents of the United States. It is the path of least resistance for them to verify identity and residency and it works because that same 99.9999% of people get a SSN at birth
If it's that important, don't you think it would be included as a requirement under the DMV policy on required identification? It's not even listed as a primary identification document.
DMV Policy on requirements for getting a drivers license
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:33 am to eitek1
You are going to take a ration of shite but if more us did this sort of thing there'd be some changes. It should not be a requirement to have a SS Card/Number for anything not related to SS. Its easy for the state and most people go along because its easier but that ain't no way to run a ship. The path of least resistance is good for current, it leads to all manner of ill shite between the governed and their government.
I have had a similar sitiuation which is 44 years old and counting. When I was 15 my dad was working out of town and my mom was out finding herself so I never got a leaners permit. I started driving pretty much anywhere I wanted to at 13. This was not unusual in the 70's. When I turned 16 Daddy was still working out of town and Mama was wherever she was and my older sister took me to get my license. When they asked her for my birthday she game them my date but her birth year, which would have made me 20 years old at the time. They never paid a minutes attention to it and neither of us knew anything at all about it. This was in 1981. In 2002 my Georgia Drivers license was set to renew...after 9/11 it was required, in Georgia, that your social security number match your drivers license information. My SS information had the correct date. The Georgia DMV did not. I was 36 years old and had had a GA drivers license for 20 years. No matter, I wasn't getting one until SS straightened it out. Given that SS was straight as rain I did not think that was an option but went to them and sure enough it was merely the work of a moment for them to change my birthdate to match my GA DMV records LOL....I was now 5 years older than I actually was. I tried to explain this to them, had a certified birth certificate from Georgia with the right date, it made no difference - I was officially 5 years older than I actually was. Renewed my license and that was it. Moved out of the country in 2007 and had an international SOFA license...with the correct date because my passport has always had the correct date. Came back to Georgia for a year, could not get it straightened out....although SS had somehow corrected their records through no effort on my part. Managed to get a GA drivers license with the wrong date on it. Moved to New Mexico, transferred license, had the right date. Moved to Washington State, transferred license, right date. Moved back to Georgia, transferred license, too certified birth certificate, passport, and social security info - all correct date. Got my license in the mail - wrong date. Went to DMV to straighten it out. there is no mechanism in place to do so. Can not be changed - not possible, there words, not mine. Registered to vote, with all the documents above with the right date, voter registration is based on drivers license date, so now when I vote in Georgia I have to sign and affidavit that my DL birthdate is incorrect and can not be corrected despite having a certifified birth certificate from the same state with the correct date. This is 40+ years. Can not be corrected.
I have had a similar sitiuation which is 44 years old and counting. When I was 15 my dad was working out of town and my mom was out finding herself so I never got a leaners permit. I started driving pretty much anywhere I wanted to at 13. This was not unusual in the 70's. When I turned 16 Daddy was still working out of town and Mama was wherever she was and my older sister took me to get my license. When they asked her for my birthday she game them my date but her birth year, which would have made me 20 years old at the time. They never paid a minutes attention to it and neither of us knew anything at all about it. This was in 1981. In 2002 my Georgia Drivers license was set to renew...after 9/11 it was required, in Georgia, that your social security number match your drivers license information. My SS information had the correct date. The Georgia DMV did not. I was 36 years old and had had a GA drivers license for 20 years. No matter, I wasn't getting one until SS straightened it out. Given that SS was straight as rain I did not think that was an option but went to them and sure enough it was merely the work of a moment for them to change my birthdate to match my GA DMV records LOL....I was now 5 years older than I actually was. I tried to explain this to them, had a certified birth certificate from Georgia with the right date, it made no difference - I was officially 5 years older than I actually was. Renewed my license and that was it. Moved out of the country in 2007 and had an international SOFA license...with the correct date because my passport has always had the correct date. Came back to Georgia for a year, could not get it straightened out....although SS had somehow corrected their records through no effort on my part. Managed to get a GA drivers license with the wrong date on it. Moved to New Mexico, transferred license, had the right date. Moved to Washington State, transferred license, right date. Moved back to Georgia, transferred license, too certified birth certificate, passport, and social security info - all correct date. Got my license in the mail - wrong date. Went to DMV to straighten it out. there is no mechanism in place to do so. Can not be changed - not possible, there words, not mine. Registered to vote, with all the documents above with the right date, voter registration is based on drivers license date, so now when I vote in Georgia I have to sign and affidavit that my DL birthdate is incorrect and can not be corrected despite having a certifified birth certificate from the same state with the correct date. This is 40+ years. Can not be corrected.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:38 am to eitek1
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It's not filed pro se. The states violation is so egregious I'm not worried about it.
So you hired an attorney? I’m surprised one took the case, honestly.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:38 am to eitek1
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It's also specifically against federal law as well.
Which federal law?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:53 am to BBONDS25
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Which federal law?
Section 7 of Pub. L. 93-579 Section (a)(1) The very same one quoted in the text of our state Law as justification for the "SHALL not deny" statement.
Link to the law
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:21 pm to AwgustaDawg
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This is 40+ years. Can not be corrected.
The bureaucrats do what the computer tells them to do.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:25 pm to eitek1
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Why is the state demaning your social security number?
Because it's a widely used identification number. It's used across agencies, financial institutions, and other entities.
It's a de facto national identification number. Identification being a fairly critical element for a state agency providing a method for identification and all.
Stop being intentionally obtuse about this.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:32 pm to eitek1
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If it's that important, don't you think it would be included as a requirement under the DMV policy on required identification? It's not even listed as a primary identification document.
Asking for a SSN and requiring the paper / original document for the issuance of the license aren't the same thing.
Those are forms of identification - a birth certificate, a passport, an unexpired drivers license. This listing doesn't seem to be in the same ballpark as the information they are requiring to process the application.
For instance, if you give them those forms of identification (say, a birth certificate and a passport), don't you also have to give them your address? That's not on those identification documents. You have to give them that information in addition to identifying yourself. In this case, they seem to be requesting an SSN in addition to reviewing original documents. I'm failing to see the problem.
Additionally.....what is the harm that you are suing to remedy?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:50 pm to eitek1
Ok, I have a crazy/reasonable reason why a SSN is required by the Louisiana OMV for a Learner's Permit. At the bottom of the CLASS E – LEARNER’S PERMIT REQUIREMENTS - MINORS document in the Express lane.org website is the following text:
**All male applicants between the ages of 15 and 26 who are U.S. citizens will automatically be registered with the U.S.
Selective Service System upon issuance of any credential by the Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles.**
It seems that a SSN is required to complete an online application through SSS. IF Louisiana signs up all males between 15 and 26 for Selective Service AND IF the way that occurs is via an online system THEN maybe that's the justification by the OMV to require a SSN at the time of application. The logic would fail here to f the OP's child was not male, but maybe by identifying him as male then the systems requires such information to proceed.
I'm not saying that's right and just, but it could be a matter of paperwork. Yes, there are ways to register for Selective Service without a SSN but I don't know if Louisiana has set up a way to verify this information (other than requiring proof of registration at the time of application for the permit).
**All male applicants between the ages of 15 and 26 who are U.S. citizens will automatically be registered with the U.S.
Selective Service System upon issuance of any credential by the Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles.**
It seems that a SSN is required to complete an online application through SSS. IF Louisiana signs up all males between 15 and 26 for Selective Service AND IF the way that occurs is via an online system THEN maybe that's the justification by the OMV to require a SSN at the time of application. The logic would fail here to f the OP's child was not male, but maybe by identifying him as male then the systems requires such information to proceed.
I'm not saying that's right and just, but it could be a matter of paperwork. Yes, there are ways to register for Selective Service without a SSN but I don't know if Louisiana has set up a way to verify this information (other than requiring proof of registration at the time of application for the permit).
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