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re: I’m about tired of the smoking bans in bars

Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:16 pm to
People who support smoking bans are pussies and I don’t even smoke anymore
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:16 pm to
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But you're advocating for giving businesses the right to run the way they want with no govt intrusion. So your answer should have been unequivocally yes, if you truly believe in the rights of the business.



Typical Democrat thinking. I can be ok with a business allowing smoking while also being against a company sending someone up in a bucket truck with a rusted out boom in 40 mph winds

Everything isn’t black and white
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:19 pm to
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Yeah? So there are no risks at any job in the US?


Are you asking about unmitigated health risk?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:19 pm to
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Not comparable. The government owns the airspace so they have a responsibility insure planes don’t fall out of it onto people below.


But then shouldn't your position be, don't live where planes may fall on your house?

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The only logical conclusion to your argument is that government can never overreach because it knows what’s best for everyone and has a responsibility to protect everyone from everything it seems dangerous even if it costs people their livelihoods.


I disagree with that conclusion simply because we the people tell the govt when they're overreaching by how we vote. People saw what the trend line looked like with fricking Hillary and elected trump.

And I would argue much of the smoking ban stuff is simply a reflection of the opinion of society changing.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:21 pm to
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Are you asking about unmitigated health risk?



Yes, and before you answer, think about the divers in the offshore industry who are almost guaranteed to do long term damage to their health due to their jobs
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:22 pm to
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Yes, and before you answer, think about the divers in the offshore industry who are almost guaranteed to do long term damage to their health due to their jobs


And that is regulated and classified.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:22 pm to
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Typical Democrat thinking. I can be ok with a business allowing smoking while also being against a company sending someone up in a bucket truck with a rusted out boom in 40 mph winds

Everything isn’t black and white


I'm far from a Democrat. Anyone who follows me on Twitter would instantly know that given my thoughts on the shitshow that is Illinois politics.

My example was trying to get an understanding of where you fall, and if you're truly a zero intervention guy or just an intervention that I agree with guy.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:23 pm to
Replace smoking with asbestos and see if everyone is still for business rights
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:25 pm to
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Replace smoking with asbestos and see if everyone is still for business rights



I honestly think some would still be ok with it, which while I don't agree with it, it would be consistent with their position. I can respect that even if I disagree.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:25 pm to
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Replace smoking with asbestos and see if everyone is still for business rights
:raises hand:
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:25 pm to
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And that is regulated



Not very well. Why do so many have short careers, early onset of several lifelong illnesses, and premature deaths?
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:26 pm to
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But then shouldn't your position be, don't live where planes may fall on your house?
Not unless I own the airspace above my property all the way up to space.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:26 pm to
Trashy
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36763 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:28 pm to
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Replace smoking with asbestos and see if everyone is still for business rights




Sure, but I’m not going to a bar where people are smoking asbestos
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:30 pm to
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:raises hand:


So you are ok with companies being able to secretively use carcinogens?

Your belief being that free market will work it out.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
51928 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:30 pm to
The best part about the smoking ban in BR bars was there were only like ten bars out of hundreds that allowed it

Nanny state politics smdh
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37032 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:31 pm to
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Why do so many have short careers, early onset of several lifelong illnesses, and premature deaths?


I'm guessing as they learn ways to make it safer new regulations will be enforced.

That job sounds insane btw.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78383 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:33 pm to
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Not very well. Why do so many have short careers, early onset of several lifelong illnesses, and premature deaths?


Because even with current mitigation it is still risky.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:34 pm to
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So you are ok with companies being able to secretively use carcinogens?
I mean I’m personally not okay with it. There’s a reason we have tort laws. If I company knowingly puts people at risk without alerting the people first then they can be liable for medical bills or whatever. There shouldn’t need to be a law outlawing something for that to happen.

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Your belief being that free market will work it out.
I think it would. But whether or not it does entirely irrelevant to me.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78383 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:37 pm to
So you would rather clog up the legal system rather than protect citizens over known issues.
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