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re: I’m about tired of the smoking bans in bars

Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:48 am to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:48 am to
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Businesses are regulated by the govt. It's always been that way.
That doesn’t make it right. For a long time slavery was legal. We should have kept it because “it’s always been that way?” I could go on and on with examples on that front.

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I think that as a society when we identify things that are detrimental to our health or well being we should do something about it, as opposed to "hey, this is really bad for everyone, so if you go near it or are impacted that's your fault".
I don’t

Well, “we as a society” doesn’t have to mean “the government.”
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 11:49 am
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:50 am to
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This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 11:56 am
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:51 am to
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It’s not stupid.



Oh but it is. If you had read my post IN ITS ENTIRETY, you'd have to be jeauxbleaux level stupid to think otherwise.


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There are whole legal teams devoted to this field.




Ok, one more time, show us all one example of any lawyer devoted to the field of representing clients who either died or suffered health related issues due to BEING FORCED to work in a bar that allowed smoking.





Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:51 am to
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And you’re in here whining about a bunch of adults who should be able to make a decision whether they want to be around smoke or not




Never happened.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:52 am to
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you really think you gonna get the cancer from going to a bar for a couple hours a couple times a month?




And he moves the goalposts.

Employees. Stick to what was being discussed.
Posted by puse01
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:53 am to
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Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:53 am to
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Glad my bar allows smoking even though I do not. Plenty of ventilation and the low-IQ whiners, like StupidBob, that complain are told to go somewhere else.


I have never complained to a bar owner or staff.

Moron.
Posted by ScaryClown
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:54 am to
frick you, you inconsiderate frick. Quit trying to kill others because you are an unstable douche bag that is trying to kill themself.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:54 am to
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previous instances of government intrusion mean I’m supposed to support even more government intrusion? That’s your position?



Moves goalpost. Lol
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:54 am to
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You are so confused, and that is ok.


Nah.
He crushed you with that post and this is your response.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:55 am to
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that was the case, smoking would be banned everywhere.
along with every other substance that has ever been tested to cause cancer or other illnesses.



That is a dumb argument.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:55 am to
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Employees.



Are not forced to work there
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:56 am to
I do t think you know what goalposts are
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:57 am to
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So now we're gonna admit it's bad for everyone and move the goal posts back a bit?



Never said smoking wasn’t bad. Just that you have the freedom to choose how much you’re exposed to it
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:58 am to
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Oh but it is. If you had read my post IN ITS ENTIRETY, you'd have to be jeauxbleaux level stupid to think otherwise.


I read it. You are a moron.
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More:


Ans you are boring moronic.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37032 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:58 am to
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For a long time slavery was legal. We should have kept it because “it’s always been that way?” I could go on and on with examples on that front.


Things changed when we realized it was wrong, and that was driven by the govt. Not the slave owners.

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I don’t

Well, “we as a society” doesn’t have to mean “the government


So you would dissolve the FAA? If a company is putting out planes that are dangerous let the people decide? Don't enact rules to make things safer?

There are countless examples of the govt enforcing laws, rules, whatever to make an industry safer, because we've seen a lot of times the companies won't do it themselves.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:59 am to
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crushed you with that post and this is your response.



That didn’t happen.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37032 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:01 pm to
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Are not forced to work there


So are you advocating for dissolving OSHA? Yes/No?
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:02 pm to
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do t think you know what goalposts are


You talk about private property rights. Then whine about me mentioning blue laws.

Then you switch to a different line of attack. Moves goalpost.

Muh private property rights. HEY, DONT TALK ABOUT OTHER INSTANCES OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS BEING ABUSED.

When the board starts whining about blue laws I’ll take your argument seriously. Till then it is just bs.

It’s like you are brain dead.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79965 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 12:03 pm to
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Secondhand smoke is a serious health hazard causing more than 41,000 deaths per year. It can cause or make worse a wide range of damaging health effects in children and adults, including lung cancer, respiratory infections and asthma
I'm calling bullshite on that number. How can they attribute heart disease to second hand smoke as opposed to one's genetics, diet, sedentary lifestyle, etc. As for lung cancer...

From my earlier post...
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The article in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute details a study of 76,000 women over more than a decade, which found the usual link between smoking and cancer. The study found no statistically significant relationship between lung cancer and exposure to passive smoke, however. Only among women who had lived with a smoker for 30 years or more was there a relationship that the researchers described as "borderline statistical significance."
Gerard Silvestri of the Medical University of South Carolina and member of the National Cancer Institute's Screening and Prevention Board, and he said the study merely confirms what many researchers already believed.

"What this study basically showed is what people kind of knew already: At low passive exposures the risk is not that great,"
he said. "While that's good news, it shouldn't stop anyone from saying, "I don't want to be a in a bar or any place else with someone who is smoking.


That 41,000 number is playing really fast and loose with the statistics.
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