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re: if two people follow me around with guns while im going for a jog
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:17 pm to Summer of George
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:17 pm to Summer of George
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If the dude would have complied with being held at gun point would he be dead?
This is the goddamn United States of America. You don’t have to comply with some dumb frick redneck civilians trying to illegally detain you. We are having a national conversation wondering if we are giving up/having our rights illegally taken and being illegally detained and jailed by the the people who at least we’ve either elected or have been trained to do these things. A lot of us are extremely nervous about surrendering so much authority, thinking a lot of what’s happening is a violation of our Constitutional rights.
And you want to give these fricking untrained redneck knuckle-draggers even MORE authority to unlawfully detain American citizens? Is this the goddamn Twilight Zone? I can’t believe some of your are so fricking stupid and lack such self-awareness. Actually, I can. And it’s fricking terrifying.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 10:41 pm
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Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:30 pm to UCFACTS4LIFE
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Who jogs in cargo shorts
Guys looking for easy loot in buildings under construction.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:31 pm to lsupride87
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How in the hell are people acting like this was a guy going for a jog?
Are you seriously this fricking stupid? It doesn’t matter if he was going out for a jog, a skip, or casing every goddamn house in the neighborhood. By law, he could have been coming back from slaughtering a family of 5, but if it wasn’t in the 2 imbeciles presence and they didn’t have “immediate knowledge of it,” they had no legal grounds to detain him.
You intellectually dishonest fricks know goddamn good and well you would be irate if, as an American citizen, 2 non law-enforcement folks chased you down in two trucks and accosted you with a loaded shotgun.
There’s a fricking 25-page thread on here bitching about a harmless, unarmed, likely elderly Wal-Mart greeter not having the authority to stop someone to glance over a receipt on Wal-Mart’s property. And you act like you’d be all cool with just throwing your hands up and surrendering your personal liberty to 2 civilians with loaded guns and zero authority to do so on a public fricking street? Get the frick out of here, you intellectually dishonest, cretin frick.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:34 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
This is the goddamn United States of America. You don’t have to comply with some dumb frick redneck civilians trying to illegally detain you. We are having a national conversation wondering if we are giving up/having our rights taken an being detained and jailed by the the people who we’ve either elected or have been trained to detain us. And you want to give these fricking untrained redneck knuckle-draggers even MORE authority to unlawfully detain American citizens? Is this the goddamn Twilight Zone? I can’t believe some of your are so fricking stupid and lack such self-awareness. Actually, I can. And it’s fricking terrifying.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:35 pm to Hot Carl
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Are you seriously this fricking stupid? It doesn’t matter if he was going out for a jog, a skip, or casing every goddamn house in the neighborhood. By law, he could have been coming back from slaughtering a family of 5, but if it wasn’t in the 2 imbeciles presence and they didn’t have “immediate knowledge of it,” they had no legal grounds to detain him.
You intellectually dishonest fricks know goddamn good and well you would be irate if, as an American citizen, 2 non law-enforcement folks chased you down in two trucks and accosted you with a loaded shotgun.
There’s a fricking 25-page thread on here bitching about a harmless, unarmed, likely elderly Wal-Mart greeter not having the authority to stop someone to glance over a receipt on Wal-Mart’s property. And you act like you’d be all cool with just throwing your hands up and surrendering your personal liberty to 2 civilians with loaded guns and zero authority to do so? Get the frick out of here, you intellectually dishonest, cretin frick.
Somebody call the Hillbilly Cops, Hot Carl is murdering motherfrickers over here.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:37 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
Are you seriously this fricking stupid? It doesn’t matter if he was going out for a jog, a skip, or casing every goddamn house in the neighborhood. By law, he could have been coming back from slaughtering a family of 5, but if it wasn’t in the 2 imbeciles presence and they didn’t have “immediate knowledge of it,” they had no legal grounds to detain him.
You intellectually dishonest fricks know goddamn good and well you would be irate if, as an American citizen, 2 non law-enforcement folks chased you down in two trucks and accosted you with a loaded shotgun.
There’s a fricking 25-page thread on here bitching about a harmless, unarmed, likely elderly Wal-Mart greeter not having the authority to stop someone to glance over a receipt on Wal-Mart’s property. And you act like you’d be all cool with just throwing your hands up and surrendering your personal liberty to 2 civilians with loaded guns and zero authority to do so? Get the frick out of here, you intellectually dishonest, cretin frick.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 6:26 am to Hot Carl
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stop someone to glance over a receipt on Wal-Mart’s property. And you act like you’d be all cool with just throwing your hands up and surrendering your personal liberty to 2 civilians with loaded guns and zero authority to do so on a public fricking street? Get the frick out of here, you intellectually dishonest, cretin frick.
I think the real question here is:
Should citizens arrest be legal?
Minority criminals have enough issues with trained law enforcement officers shooting them when (Criminal) goes for their (policeman) gun. This case is a perfect example of why civilians should not be allowed to apprehend criminals. Police just barley get away with defending themselves when criminals go for their gun. These two guys in this story don’t have a chance.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 6:37 am to rallyTiger
Some people here believe running with boots and holding a hammer warrants a death sentence.
What people should take away is a good ole boy network kept these two from being charged. Another former cop getting preferable treatment from the legal system.
What people should take away is a good ole boy network kept these two from being charged. Another former cop getting preferable treatment from the legal system.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 7:11 am to Skeezer
The video of the criminal trespassing shows an individual in white, low cut shoes. The McMichaels better pray they got the right person.
ETA: They are already in the wrong because they had no first hand knowledge of the alleged crime and had no lawful right to detain.
ETA: They are already in the wrong because they had no first hand knowledge of the alleged crime and had no lawful right to detain.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 7:13 am
Posted on 5/10/20 at 7:14 am to Hot Carl
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Hot Carl
Posted on 5/10/20 at 7:25 am to Wolfhound45
I’m so glad I gave up jogging.
Will apparently add years to my life.
Will apparently add years to my life.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 7:35 am to Bullfrog
We have bi weekly threads on whether Walmart/Costco can check your receipt on the way out but have many who are cool with strangers on the street stopping you with guns to do it
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:55 am to Saint Alfonzo
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It looks like straight up murder.
It looks like that because it was.
Good gracious! By the time I was 10 years old I knew enough about the law, from watching detective shows, to know this is not murder. If the victim had continued jogging straight ahead, instead of cutting towards the guy with the gun, and had the guy shot him as he was running past, it MIGHT be murder. They would still have to sort through the motives, considering he scoped out that construction site.
I’m not defending the shooters, who I would guess are guilty of manslaughter, at least, but it is clearly not murder under the law. See below. a) From what we now know, it cannot be proved that their intention was to kill rather than apprehend him. B) “No considerable provocation” can be defeated by showing the video of the guy charging to his left. If the shot had been fired before this, then B would be invoked. C) Maybe apprehending the dude without witnessing a crime is a felony. If so, this would apply, but I doubt it. D) Clearly does not apply.
a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.
(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.
(c) A person commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.
(d) A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.
(e)
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:02 am to Bullfrog
quote:Just stick with giving your friends wine. As long as it is a mighty fine wine.
I’m so glad I gave up jogging.
Will apparently add years to my life.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:08 am to MLU
No it’s not
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:14 am to rallyTiger
I doubt this man would have been chased down if he were wearing jogging clothes. He chose poor attire that day and these men will spend some time in prison for their poor decision of shooting a jogger in cargo pants that just wanted to check out new construction.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:24 am to Tri City Tigers
These guys will do no prison time
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:25 am to UCFACTS4LIFE
quote:I would not put any money on that.
These guys will do no prison time
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:28 am to Tri City Tigers
quote:I don’t go with this narrative either. There was criminal trespass (a misdemeanor) involved. Still does not give the McMichaels the authority to attempt a citizens arrest, particularly using deadly force. And Arbery was well within his rights to attempt to resist an illegal detention. He paid for that with his life.
He chose poor attire that day and these men will spend some time in prison for their poor decision of shooting a jogger in cargo pants that just wanted to check out new construction.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:34 am to Wolfhound45
quote:
Still does not give the McMichaels the authority to attempt a citizens arrest
Under Georgia law, it does.
quote:
particularly using deadly force
Once he charged and grabbed the gun, the law says it's legal to use deadly force.
I don't want to speculate motives or debate who was wrong, but legally speaking, your post is incorrect.
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