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re: If the Texas model of state government works so well, why can't we emulate it?
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:01 pm to fallguy_1978
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:01 pm to fallguy_1978
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Exactly. People that pay effectively a 0% tax rate will always vote for more government services because it has no impact on their wallet.
Are you talking about Congress?
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:04 pm to fightin tigers
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Are you talking about Congress?
DC is a cesspool. They certainly all exempted themselves from ObamaCare.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:10 pm to fallguy_1978
Do you think you pay in far more than you receive from the government and public services?
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:18 pm to volod
The difference is structural. Our governmental structure and Texas’s are reverse mirror images. They have nearly all power vested at the local level, and the center of state power is in the legislature. Their governor is fairly weak with little real authority.
Our power is consolidated at the state level and weilded near exclusively by the governor. Thanks to the line item veto, the leg is his b$&*h. The governor also has at his disposal dozens of unelected boards and commissions which he appoints the members of that run everything from local levee districts to university boards to hospital management. The governor also has the appointment power over the executive agencies which issue all of the reduculous numbers of certifications and occupational licenses as well as grant tax credits and exemptions that bribary and kickbacks are really centralized in the governor’s mansion.
Also, the percentage of roads that are state roads compared to county/parish roads is far higher in Louisiana than in Texas. So our road funding as well as our education funding comes largely from the state as well.
We would have to rewrite our Constitution to completely flip the balance of power in the state in order to “be like Texas”.
Our power is consolidated at the state level and weilded near exclusively by the governor. Thanks to the line item veto, the leg is his b$&*h. The governor also has at his disposal dozens of unelected boards and commissions which he appoints the members of that run everything from local levee districts to university boards to hospital management. The governor also has the appointment power over the executive agencies which issue all of the reduculous numbers of certifications and occupational licenses as well as grant tax credits and exemptions that bribary and kickbacks are really centralized in the governor’s mansion.
Also, the percentage of roads that are state roads compared to county/parish roads is far higher in Louisiana than in Texas. So our road funding as well as our education funding comes largely from the state as well.
We would have to rewrite our Constitution to completely flip the balance of power in the state in order to “be like Texas”.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:21 pm to kingbob
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We would have to rewrite our Constitution
This really gained some steam under Foster (maybe Blanco) and was quickly squashed.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:21 pm to fightin tigers
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Do you think you pay in far more than you receive from the government and public services?
State or federal? My answer would be the same actually with either one - pay more in. The problem is that our tax code is intentionally complicated so that we don't realize how much we are actually paying. I pay federal income taxes, state income taxes, property tax, sales tax. If I invest some of what's left and make a profit I pay tax on that too.
Corporations don't pay taxes. They just pass that on to the consumer of their products so we are paying their taxes as well.
It's almost impossible to determine what we really pay.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:21 pm to fallguy_1978
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because it has no impact on their wallet.
Bingo..
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:24 pm to volod
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If the Texas model of state government works so well, why can't we emulate it? by volod
Your naivety is adorable
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:25 pm to fallguy_1978
Only property owners should be able to vote in any election. Local, state, or federal.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:34 pm to fallguy_1978
I really can't follow you.
Do you think the flat sales tax you want will not be passed down to you from businesses?
Also, if it is a flat sales tax will you complain if it is used on services (like CATS or BREC) that you don't use?
Personally, I think I probably take more than I pay, but I'm not in the top 1% of earner in the US.
Do you think the flat sales tax you want will not be passed down to you from businesses?
Also, if it is a flat sales tax will you complain if it is used on services (like CATS or BREC) that you don't use?
Personally, I think I probably take more than I pay, but I'm not in the top 1% of earner in the US.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:40 pm to fightin tigers
quote:I seriously doubt that. If you're a responsible hardworking citizen who pays his taxes, then no you don't. If you add up property tax, income tax, sales tax, and all the other hidden taxes buried in our utility bills - it all adds up.
I probably take more than I pay
Now, if you're unemployed and rely on the government to pay your way through life - then you might be right.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:41 pm to fightin tigers
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Do you think the flat sales tax you want will not be passed down to you from businesses?
It will. I'm just saying that our tax code makes it impossible to determine the real tax rates that we are paying. I believe intentionally.
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Also, if it is a flat sales tax will you complain if it is used on services (like CATS or BREC) that you don't use?
I would have less of a problem with it because everyone was paying into the system.
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Personally, I think I probably take more than I pay, but I'm not in the top 1% of earner in the US.
I'm definitely not a 1%'er. Not even close. My household would probably be considered upper middle class in South LA
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:48 pm to fallguy_1978
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I would have less of a problem with it because everyone was paying into the system.
You realize that WIC/SNAP recipients aren't going to pay taxes, still. If they are paying rent then they won't be paying property tax (same if they live in a decent house). They aren't paying for gas in the car they don't own, now they are taking public transportation for cheap/free. Income tax is gone so hiding income is even easier if they do have a low wage job.
So, you have effectively put all the burden on the people who are already paying it.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:51 pm to RealityTiger
quote:not exactly what you're arguing, but if you aren't paying 30k in taxes as a household you're a liability (sort of)
seriously doubt that. If you're a responsible hardworking citizen who pays his taxes, then no you don't. If you add up property tax, income tax, sales tax, and all the other hidden taxes buried in our utility bills - it all adds up.
Obviously most people who work aren't getting 30k in goods and services out of the federal government, so this is disingenuous... but eye opening
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:53 pm to Gaston
Show me on the doll where Texas touched you. frick a sonic, I’ll meet you on the state border.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:53 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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not exactly what you're arguing, but if you aren't paying 30k in taxes as a household you're a liability (sort of)
I've actually heard estimates far north of that due to items not included, such as future debt in the forms of SS payments.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:55 pm to fightin tigers
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So, you have effectively put all the burden on the people who are already paying it.
They'd pay the sales tax at retailers. Granted, they likely spend less but they would also be less hesitant to vote for a sales tax increase that they are also having to pay.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:58 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Well yeah, that was kind of my point. I am 100% confident in saying that there's no way in hell I am a liability to the government.
Obviously most people who work aren't getting 30k in goods and services out of the federal government,
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:59 pm to fallguy_1978
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They'd pay the sales tax at retailers. Granted, they likely spend less but they would also be less hesitant to vote for a sales tax increase that they are also having to pay.
Push the sales tax to 35% and see who is more effective at creating a black market for non-essential goods.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 12:53 am to volod
Because I don't want to get banned
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