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Posted on 8/10/16 at 7:46 pm to Michael J Cocks
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Yeah, pretty much this. Then as a knowing believer, you know your best bet is death because without the mark, the living conditions will really suck..... But you can't kill yourself because that defeats the purpose and you'd go to hell anyway. It's just gonna suck until you are eventually raped, beaten and tortured by heathens, and ultimately murdered as you go out testifying that you're a believer.
frick all of this, I'm going to Hooters.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 7:51 pm to SEClint
The early church didn't have this rapture bullshite. This is bs created in the early 20th century.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:02 pm to Langland
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The early church didn't have this rapture bullshite. This is bs created in the early 20th century.
Here's what I'm confused about. If the "early church" didn't have "this rapture bullshite", then what does these two verses mean?
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1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:51 pm to Darth_Vader
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Here's what I'm confused about. If the "early church" didn't have "this rapture bullshite", then what does these two verses mean?
This is a pretty valid question and I just checked the King James version, there's not much difference so I'm not sure where this came from but I'll do some research tomorrow and retort.
But you've gotta keep in mind that this is a consistently evolving faith. They invented and reneged on purgatory and indulgences over the centuries. I'll be surprised if there's no political motivation for this shift as well.
I'm too drunk for a decent rebuttal, til tomorrow sir
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:56 pm to Darth_Vader
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1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Those say nothing about non believers stayin on Earth, the mark of the beast, etc
All I think those verses say is that believers will go to Heaven when God returns.
There is nothing in the Bible about all of that other nonsense unless you count Revelation which is really just a bad acid trip by John and, like most things in the Bible, not to be taken literally
Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:01 pm to SEClint
I'm betting the rapture has already happened and we all missed it. The world we are living in is our punishment 
Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:01 pm to LucasP
I'm guessing there may be some roots in misinterpretations or evolving notions of "the remnant."
I've also known some mainline protestants who were extremely concerned about being part of "the elect" who are called home to Jupiter.
There are some different and conflicting traditions there that I've really put much time into studying, but I imagine there are some historical reasons for a large audience to embrace LaHaye's lasted fiction-based innovations. There's also been some growth in Catholic apocalyptical fiction in recent years for some reason, but nothing as successful as LaHaye.
I've also known some mainline protestants who were extremely concerned about being part of "the elect" who are called home to Jupiter.
There are some different and conflicting traditions there that I've really put much time into studying, but I imagine there are some historical reasons for a large audience to embrace LaHaye's lasted fiction-based innovations. There's also been some growth in Catholic apocalyptical fiction in recent years for some reason, but nothing as successful as LaHaye.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:19 pm to airfernando
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far as the "mark", everyone needs to understand that accepting the "mark" guarantees that person an eternal spot in hell.
Grew up in church. There is some disagreement about what the mark will be. Classically, most people think mark in head or hand or something. I don't think it'll be something like that. Marks like currency.
I think it'll be something subtle such as currency, accepting and prescribing to the laws and order of the "beast".
It's all speculation but I don't think putting chips in people is the route this is going. I also don't think it'll be framed as "choosing". It'll just be the way things are and it will take discernment to understand the difference.
There's also a theory that this will not be world wide but will be limited in scope to say the Middle East and surrounding nations. Think Old Roman Empire, as that is the known scope of this Anti Christs power.
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:27 pm to DupontsCircle
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There's also a theory that this will not be world wide but will be limited in scope to say the Middle East and surrounding nations.
There's also a theory that most of the apocalyptic aspects of the New Testament were really about the impending fall of the Roman Empire, and trying to scare the goys with their Jewish magic. Some actually believed that they were living in the end times, and the predicted return was supposed to be in their lifetime.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:27 pm to SEClint
Uh,no
Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:28 pm to SEClint
Living off the land and being an outsider. It would suck, but we only have one soul....
Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:55 pm to PowerTool
Most early Christians believed Christ's return was imminent. Look at the ferver in which they spread out to spread the Gospel. It's quite astonishing actually. In one generation it had penetrated (Rome, Greece, etc) most of the Roman Empire and made progress toward eastern expansion (Persia).
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 9:57 pm to SEClint
I thought social security numbers were the mark.
lunacy
lunacy
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:00 pm to Darth_Vader
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Well think about it. If the rapture happened today that would confirm that the bible is true. This being the case, that means it would also be true that whomever takes the mark of the beast is damned to eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire. Does that sound like a good way to spend eternity?
This
On a slight tangent, I always wondered why certain people in the Old Testament and the Jews generally disobey God after he directly manifests himself to them in some way. Like God himself fricking appears and tells you to do something and you don't? Makes no sense.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:03 pm to Amazing Moves
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I thought social security numbers were the mark.
Nah bro, it's the RFID chip that Obama is going to implant in you.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:05 pm to RabidTiger
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a slight tangent, I always wondered why certain people in the Old Testament and the Jews generally disobey God after he directly manifests himself to them in some way. Like God himself fricking appears and tells you to do something and you don't? Makes no sense.
He gave you an entire book with instruction. How many people have read that and listened?
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:11 pm to DupontsCircle
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He gave you an entire book with instruction. How many people have read that and listened?
There's a million reasons to doubt the veracity of the bible and the existence of God, but those all go away if he directly appears to you in a tangible way.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:12 pm to RabidTiger
Thats right. We get to pick and choose what the mark is. Plus it's sure to happen in our time.
Prophecy is horse shite.
Prophecy is horse shite.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:13 pm to RabidTiger
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There's a million reasons to doubt the veracity of the bible and the existence of God, but those all go away if he directly appears to you in a tangible way.
That only makes sense. You would think this would dawn on christians by now.
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