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Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:14 am to
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:14 am to
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I feel for the girl, but this is really strange. I could see a sheltered college girl being frozen in fear for half an hour or even an hour, but 7 hours raises eyebrows.
I dunno. Leaving the word "sheltered" out of it I find myself suprised at the lack of survival instinct more and more, and not just young persons.

I've spent time in multiple shithole/communist countries on 3 continents. If I reacted like some people I see I wouldn't be able to use the word multiple, much less make this post. I always thought "getting off the X" was innate and not learned.

The other day a guy walking down the road about 1/3 into my lane thought I didn't get over far enough for his tastes. His solution? Move farther into the road to get in front of me. The thought that ran through my head was "if you want to meet your maker I can set your appointment right now".

My point being, no matter how surprised we are at some of these reactions, or lack thereof, we shouldn't be. You can't apply logic to it. Apparently getting off the X isn't innate for all.

Regarding Blizzard of Chizz's post immediately above:
The "car left skid marks" peaked my interest. I wonder if the two stops in Indiana were for an off-camera officer to place an impression strip off that Elantra before he could get to PA and potentially drop it once his trip was over.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 12:19 am
Posted by sdw1002
Member since Jun 2017
147 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:22 am to
Saw this on Facebook. Interesting theory if nothing else.

Here is my current theory on the Idaho murders based on what we know to this point. Of course, I could be wrong but this theory seems to make all of the pieces fit.
Quinn Kelley, Dylan's boyfriend, was trafficking drugs(admitted by several who know him) from Boise, to Moscow and the University of Idaho campus. The murder house was the distribution point (leaks indicate it was a massive drug house) for Moscow. He was protected by the FBI as several agents were getting a cut of the profits. Dylan was involved as the local contact in the house as Quinn Kelley lived primarily in Boise. Kohberger was a frequent buyer from the house and a distributor to the Washington State University campus. This is why he was frequently in the area around the house, even at odd hours. Everyone in the house knew what was going on but went along with it as they received free drugs from Dylan for remaining silent.
Everything fell apart two weeks before the murder when Dylan and Maddie had a huge fight(see Tiktok video Maddie posted about Dylan from two weeks prior). Maddie threatened to turn Dylan and Quinn Kelley into the police for drug distribution. Maddie began talking to her friends about this and even told Adam at the Corner Club about it, which caused Kaylee to freak out(see sidewalk video where Showalter tells Kaylee, "those guys are going to get you") on the way to the grub truck when Kaylee found out Maddie told Adam "everything". Jack Showalter was so scared about what was going to happen that he immediately fled the area and hasn't returned.
Coincidentally, Dylan and Quinn Kelley had conspired to murder the roommates that night (Beth was spared as she was very loyal to and best friends with Dylan). The plan involved Quinn Kelley remaining in Boise and making a Tik Tok video in Boise for an alibi, placing him 5 hours away from the scene. Dylan was to have complete control over the murder scene. Dylan and Quinn Kelley hired Bryan Kohberger to do the killing with Quinn Kelley promising his payout in drugs/money the next morning after Quinn Kelley verified the scene. Kohberger was a known hardcore drug abuser. Kohberger being a criminal law expert was sure he could get away with it. He was even promised by Quinn Kelley that Kelley had the FBI working with him and that Kohberger would be protected. Still, Kohberger took no chances in case anything went wrong.
The roommates despite all being awake, were slow to respond as Kohberg was a regular at the home, even at late hours. Dylan didn't call 911 as she was part of it and wanted the roommates dead. The roommates had evidence to put her behind bars and Maddie now hated Dylan. Any necessary adjustment of the crime scene was done by Dylan before calling 911. Further, Dylan was the sole eyewitness.
Kohberger returned to the scene at 9:00am (as tracked by his phone data) to get paid by Quinn Kelley, who had now arrived/was arriving from Boise. Note, Moscow is a 5 hour drive from Boise, so Quinn Kelley would had to have left Boise very early in the morning. Upon inspecting the scene, Quinn Kelley paid Kohberger. Quinn Kelley then called 911 so he could further promote his alibi and talk to the cops about the case, which he did when they arrived. Meanwhile, Kohberger took to social media in an attempt to create as much plausible deniability for himself as possible. FBI agents did the opposite, posting on social media to incriminate Kohberger while using fake social media accounts that knew details of the crime.
What Kohberger didn't know is that Quinn Kelley, and by extension, Dylan, were working with the FBI as they had a joint drug trafficking enterprise and it would be only Kohberger that would be prosecuted. The only thing tying Kohberger to the scene was a knife sheath, planted by the FBI, which just so happened to have Kohberger's dna on it. The 911 call, which likely raised questions about Quinn Kelley, has not been released. A gag order has been issue to shut down any further investigation into this theory.
Posted by dukesilver72
Texas
Member since Feb 2015
1032 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:30 am to
Holy hell. I’d say highly unlikely, but the fbi is so corrupt, anything is possible. What a sad, sad situation.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
8152 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:30 am to
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He has an interest in cloud based forensics. He’s pursuing a PhD in the subject matter. He has an enormous breadth of knowledge in criminal behavior but yet he’s unable to put any of it to use. He’s incredibly sloppy. He knows cell phone tech can put him at the location but the only time he ever turned his phone off was when he left his house to commit the murders.


Even if contemplating them in past He may not have left apartment that night intending to carry out preplanned murders. It was like he was using he previous stalking techniques at first versus having it planned for that night. He could only get 28 minutes away from murders before turning phone back on. Probably needed it to get back going south of Moscow like he was going at the time. Didn’t leave phone or couldn’t avoid turning back on until back at apartment like battery had just run out.

He was in Moscow earlier than first camera time in affidavit - 3:26am (at 2:53am car was almost to main hwy to go Moscow). He went by somewhere first or didn’t take main or direct route to house before car was seen starting to go by house 3 minutes later. Even right before murders he tried to turn around unsuccessfully and drove on to turn around at intersection and go back towards house. After getting to Moscow he wasn’t really driving to avoid attention and almost driving impatiently or while getting angry. I think the worker that found car in gas station video said he was driving fairly fast or made a hard turn.

Either his compulsion overtook gaining more experience, drugs kicked in, need for drugs kicked in, and/or he saw something else that set him off. Could have even been seeing Kaylee’s new car and thought it was someone else. Even if he knew it was a roommate’s through social media or wasn’t the trigger it was something new & different parked there, the parking area was also full, food just delivered; and he still went in house. Whatever kicked in he couldn’t wait any longer.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:33 am to
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called InsideLooking


He also had an account called "outside looking" I believe.

I think his interest in the murders was social media related. Just a big game to him.
Posted by WinnaSez
Jackson, MS
Member since Mar 2019
1240 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:49 am to
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You think he left it on purpose?


I’m beginning to think that PERHAPS he left enough evidence to arrest him while his arrogance believed he was smart enough to leave nothing that could convict him. The guy is a criminology PhD candidate who drives his car repeatedly around a crime scene, leaves a knife sheath with his DNA at the crime scene, and supposedly hangs on to critical evidence for six weeks only to dispose of it in his parent’s neighbor’s trash cans???? Loser might be grasping at his 15 min of fame and surmising his crazy arse skates???
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 12:51 am
Posted by CheesyF
Member since May 2017
447 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:49 am to
Jesus Christ how retarded is whoever wrote that
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19973 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:58 am to
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Dylan and Quinn Kelley hired Bryan Kohberger to do the killing with Quinn Kelley promising his payout in drugs/money the next morning after Quinn Kelley verified the scene. Kohberger was a known hardcore drug abuser


BK had only arrived in town in late June. He attended a completely different campus. He was a Phd while the victims were pursuing undergrads. Nothing puts them in the same social circle. They didn't grow up together, have classes together or share any common friends or interests. If he has/had a nasty drug habit, he'd more than likely be making drug connections with those around him at his university, not venturing off to another campus to make connects with drug dealing sorority girls.

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Kohberger returned to the scene at 9:00am (as tracked by his phone data) to get paid by Quinn Kelley, who had now arrived/was arriving from Boise.


If you're paying someone to kill your roommates, why the hell would you have them swing back by the murder scene the next day to get paid?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
138216 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 12:59 am to
:bravo:
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4300 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:12 am to
“ No way he was that freaking brazen just to get a layout of the house”

Might seem that way to you(and me) but burglaries happen all the time.Happened to my wife before we got married,my grandmother was burglarized twice in Baton Rouge.I know 1/2 dozen people that have been burglarized,had TV’s,guns,all sorts of stuff stolen.I even know of 1 burglary in Alex.where house was broken into while they were sleeping,owner woke up and ended up getting shot.
I’m thinking he just made a quick pass-through to get the layout,maybe stole some panties to sniff.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
4609 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:35 am to
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Dylan was to have complete control over the murder scene. Dylan and Quinn Kelley hired Bryan Kohberger to do the killing


Why did she admit to seeing him instead of saying she was asleep if this is true?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69839 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:48 am to
I lost a few brain cells reading that
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27772 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:53 am to
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Holy hell. I’d say highly unlikely, but the fbi is so corrupt, anything is possible. What a sad, sad situation.



I absolutely hate the fricking FBI but this is laughable bullshite. This was written by a troll and the OP fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
7067 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:55 am to
I wouldn’t be surprised
The FBI is shady as all ever and it fills in some things that just weren’t adding up…

after 2020, Nothing surprises me anymore

It explains why Kohberger asked have you arrested anyone else and why he is so confident he will get off
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 1:58 am
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
7067 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 2:02 am to


is this REALLY the FB profile link he used on the left for Papa Roger? (The one in the right is him going to court)

What an idiot, if so
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 2:04 am
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36536 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:30 am to
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Saw this on Facebook. Interesting theory if nothing else.


Whomever wrote that crap should've said DEA not the FBI. FBI doesn't deal with drug dealers.

Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
14274 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:59 am to
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It’s as if he was incapable of applying his knowledge of criminal subject matter to avoid leaving incriminating evidence or he didn’t really care either way if ge got caught.


My cousin, who is now a professor at Florida, had a perfect SAT score. Graduated high school 2 years early and college a year early but couldn't remember that he had to put gas in the car to keep it running. Book smart does not help when you need street smarts

Imo, school research had been feeding his dark desires but eventually that became less effective. He is a drug addict, used drugs to try and cover his darkness but he was a pressure cooker with no relief valve and once he gave in and removed all restraint he went into a frenzy. His brain only was focused on the killing all other thoughts were blocked out. That's why he was so sloppy. He was a animal thinking of only the deed not being patient and using his education of crime. I'm pretty sure he knows he is screwed but still wants to see if his smarts can win out...they won't. He better beg for the DP because he won't last a week in Genpop.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 5:07 am
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36536 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 5:14 am to
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because he won't last a week in Genpop.




He'll get his own cell being locked down 23 hours a day. And his 1 hour out for recreation or showers he'll be alone.

There's video on YouTube of his future home. They do have cells with 2 bunks but he'll get his own.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
86802 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:25 am to
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feel for the girl, but this is really strange. I could see a sheltered college girl being frozen in fear for half an hour or even an hour, but 7 hours raises eyebrows.


She’s lawyered up

quote:

An Idaho law enforcement source told The Post that the reporting delay was something investigators had puzzled over and that, “we don’t know if it was an issue of intoxication, or of fear.”


Wondering if the families of the deceased are looking to sue her or what.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36536 posts
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:30 am to
quote:

“She was scared. She was scared to death, and rightly so,


quote:

although police were not summoned to the home for eight hours.


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