re: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)

Leaked video of attack

Sounds like Ethan yelling.

Extended, longer version without the ending.

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Is that from the ring door cam?

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I believe it is.

One of the links has commentary and discusses it a bit.

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I don’t think she went back to sleep. Probably froze up some type of trauma Induced dissociation.

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I get that. And she didn’t have anything to do with what the psychopath did, but even if you’re scared to death / afraid to do anything initially, eight hours is a long time before you collect yourself, look around and dial 911.

But Im just commenting on the details of what happened. What her and roommates went through is unfathomable.

This case is a slam dunk like OJ should have been.

Ok I have a few questions. In the video you posted in the post I’m responding to, it shows the location of the doorbell cam and a bedroom window. Is the door/ window below it the sliding glass door he entered or exited? I’m curious because it seems highly unlikely the microphone in that camera could pick up clear audible sounds coming from the house with the window closed. However, if that door/window below was open because that’s where he slipped in, it makes so much more sense why the camera was able to pick up the sound rather clearly.

Yea, it’s seems highly unlikely the ring doorbell cam would pick up the audio that well. The two girls talking in the beginning and one says “That’s Bryan.” They were speaking in normal voices there. I’m not buying that a ring cam 50 feet away picked that up.

Also, those screams at the end are pretty damn loud to not alert the other roommates that something really bad was happening.

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Why? I don’t see how it’s relevant to the defense. It doesn’t explain the dna, his driving pattern, his phone pings, etc…

The prosecution doesn’t even need her as an eye witness, frankly not much of what she saw helps the case anyway, as his identity was shielded by a mask. She isn’t on trial, she can literally just say, I was drunk and wasn’t sure what I saw or heard made sense.

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Her level of inebriation won't matter, even if the defense lasers in on it, because...

A) Prosecution will only use her to confirm, not establish, timeline in conjunction with physical, opportunistic, and digital forensic evidence. The fact that she saw someone who could not be identified, i.e. was not one of her easily recognizable 5 roomates.

B) if the defense does hammer her she is going to be wholly sympathetic to the jury and by this time the prosecution, who goes first, would have already painted such a complete picture from his stalking/targeting actions through the murder to every deed he did, no matter how small, to conceal evidence of his involvement it will at least appear as a desperate attempt by the defense to the jury. And even without the sympathy, that won't work for them. Because the only way you can attack her (or her testimony) for establishing a timeline is to either try to paint her as an alternate guilty party (i.e. she's actually the murderer) or that she's outright lying intentionally. And that's where desperate in the eyes of the jury come in- there's zero facts to back that up and it will appear as a callous hail mary, further damaging the defense.

Even though it likely won't affect the case (because this is going to be based on forensics and opportunity) I too can't help but wonder about the "someone's here" comment, her witnessing someone in all black easily identifiable as not one of her roomates, and the gap until police were called. Nothing nefarious, but that's the all time mostest head-in-sand syndrome ever. Multiple red flags at 4:15 am and 7 hrs later does the alarm go out. That puzzles me.

As far as lessons learned- well, there's a bunch when you include risky habits/behavior typical of people of that age and in college. But one sticks out to me that isn't part of risky behavior... with a determined killer who almost assuredly did some amount of stalking/casing there was no safety in numbers. Never mind all the other stuff; it is human nature to feel that there is safety in numbers. 6 residents and it didn't slow him down one bit.

My speculation is that he indeed did stalk them enough to know there were residents on all 3 floors and that he chose to leave the 1st floor alone for two reasons...
1. It is the most difficult path and least accesabile to that 2nd story sliding glass door.

2. Because of his ego/arrogance and his field of study he thought by leaving them alive they would become the primary targets of the investigation. At least initially which would buy him time.

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Yea, it’s seems highly unlikely the ring doorbell cam would pick up the audio that well. The two girls talking in the beginning and one says “That’s Bryan.” They were speaking in normal voices there. I’m not buying that a ring cam 50 feet away picked that up.

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For those that have a similar Ring doorbell, I suggest you test it out with your own.
Stand 50 feet away and talk and or scream and see how the recording sounds to you

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I too can't help but wonder about the "someone's here" comment, her witnessing someone in all black easily identifiable as not one of her roomates, and the gap until police were called. Nothing nefarious, but that's the all time mostest head-in-sand syndrome ever. Multiple red flags at 4:15 am and 7 hrs later does the alarm go out. That puzzles me.

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This part of the story is sketchy as hell. I’ve read that there were friends who had been called to the house before police got there and the 911 call reportedly was for an unconscious roommate

So she finds multiple bodies riddled with knife wounds and blood splattered everywhere, and immediately thinks they’re unconscious? And that she should call some friends over before deciding to call the cops…7 hours later?

Something isn’t lining up