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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:16 pm to
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What? Young girl is gonna get hammered by the defense. Even if the prosecution has this case locked up.

Why? I don’t see how it’s relevant to the defense. It doesn’t explain the dna, his driving pattern, his phone pings, etc…

The prosecution doesn’t even need her as an eye witness, frankly not much of what she saw helps the case anyway, as his identity was shielded by a mask. She isn’t on trial, she can literally just say, I was drunk and wasn’t sure what I saw or heard made sense.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:30 pm to
The prosecution is unlikely to call her as a witness, her testimony doesn't seem relevant or necessary for a conviction.

The defense has no reason to call her whatsoever.

Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:32 pm to
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The prosecution is unlikely to call her as a witness, her testimony doesn't seem relevant or necessary for a conviction.


Prosecution will call her IMO. Her emotional testimony and being able to describe the habits of the roommates and details of the house will help.
Also, I’m not sure about sentencing there or not, but if the jury gets to determine death penalty as well, she will be huge for that
Posted by DaleGribble
Bend, OR
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:38 pm to
Why would they need to prove that he owned one of these knives when they already have his dna on the sheath, next to a dead body?

Even if we only base it on the evidence that we already know about, the prosecution has an easy case to prosecute.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:47 pm to
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Even if we only base it on the evidence that we already know about, the prosecution has an easy case to prosecute.


We can safely assume that they have exponentially more evidence than what's been released.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:50 pm to
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Why would they need to prove that he owned one of these knives when they already have his dna on the sheath, next to a dead body?

Even if we only base it on the evidence that we already know about, the prosecution has an easy case to prosecute.
A former roommate or family member who knew he had one. Or an online / credit card purchase.

I suspect he was in that house before, unless he totally picked it out of the blue. Perhaps at a party or something. That would give them the opportunity to explain why his DNA was on something in the house.

Of course that defense goes away if they find proof he recently purchased such a knife, unless he can provide a clean knife and sheath at trial.

ETA: the sheath is a major piece of evidence. Anything they can use to discredit it they will try.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 3:52 pm
Posted by cbdman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:03 pm to
Having bought a K-bar several years ago, I suspect he bought it online through Amazon or eBay (unless he went to a surplus store).
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:03 pm to
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Of course that defense goes away if they find proof he recently purchased such a knife, unless he can provide a clean knife and sheath at trial.


In this scenario he could have had 2. A clean one doesn't prove innocence at all.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:08 pm to
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I suspect he was in that house before


It would make this story make so much more sense. Have we determined, without a shadow of a doubt, that he wasn't involved with one of the girls in some capacity?

Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:10 pm to
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A clean one doesn't prove innocence at all.


No it doesn't.

He doesn't have to prove innocence though, he has to prove reasonable doubt.

Clean ka-bar doesn't establish this either, fwiw.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35358 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:36 pm to
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Prosecution will call her IMO. Her emotional testimony and being able to describe the habits of the roommates and details of the house will help. Also, I’m not sure about sentencing there or not, but if the jury gets to determine death penalty as well, she will be huge for that

Even if they bring her up, I’m sure the prosecution will object to her being questioned about the time frame of the 911 call based upon relevance. How is it relevant to the case if she calls immediately or 12 hours later. The timing of the 911 call has zero relevance to the facts of the case.

ETA: unless the defense wants to claim that Dylan stole Bryan’s cell phone, car, and knife, and carried out this crime all on her own
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 4:39 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
25791 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:50 pm to
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Have we determined, without a shadow of a doubt, that he wasn't involved with one of the girls in some capacity?


I dont think so.

My niece's husband is a Psychiatrist and thinks this dude is a textbook, 100% Incel. And I think he is right.

But it seems he knew the house so it would make some sense that he had been there before. Not necessarily involved with either girl but hanging around to see if there was an opportunity.
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
19318 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:51 pm to
What can explain Brian K's motive for his brutal killing of four in Idaho? Maybe this?

What explains the motive? What explains leaving behind the sheath that held the knife? What explains not killing the fifth person? Brian K could have seen the boyfriend react to someone semi-flirting with the girlfriend at her work, which may have often happened to Brian whenever he tried being nice to a girl on campus. Brian K could have targeted these two and left the sheath behind to let everyone know, they were his intended target.


It's been reported, DNA can stay around for a very long time. Brian assumed wrongly that the sheath was clean. He didn't kill the fifth girl because he had already found the two people he was wanting to make an example of. Knowing how the boyfriend reacts, would lead Brian to think there were many such instances, thus police would have many suspects.

Brian K arrogantly thought he was more intelligent than everyone else, leaving the sheath behind was probably amusing to him, the police would be investigating every guy who ever reacted with this couple.
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
33083 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:53 pm to
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TurdTongueTiger arrogantly thought he was more intelligent than everyone else when he was merely a plumber apprentice



Even a dumb arse knows shite rolls down hill.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
4639 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:54 pm to
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Brian K arrogantly thought he was more intelligent than everyone else, leaving the sheath behind was probably amusing to him


You think he left it on purpose?

Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36582 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 4:55 pm to
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Brian K arrogantly thought he was more intelligent than everyone else


Sounds like you.
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
19318 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 5:01 pm to
Then explain the motive, explain the reason for this high IQ criminology pervert leaving behind the sheath. Explain leaving behind the fifth person whom he made contact with. Explain it all so it fits like a puzzle, genius!
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
4556 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 5:03 pm to
He didn’t kill Dylan because he didn’t see her. There’s no doubt he would have butchered her if he saw her.

Leaving the sheath was a frick up. I don’t think he planned to kill Ethan but Ethan was there so he got slaughtered. I don’t think he realized DoorDash just delivered food and people were awake.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36642 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 5:04 pm to
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Explain it all so it fits like a puzzle, genius!


Certainly not because he decided “oh ya know, I think I’ll leave this sheath with my DNA next to the victims. They’ll never find out it was me!”

Damn. I can’t imagine seriously thinking he left the sheath on purpose.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
102493 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 5:05 pm to
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Why would they need to prove that he owned one of these knives when they already have his dna on the sheath, next to a dead body?

Even if we only base it on the evidence that we already know about, the prosecution has an easy case to prosecute.


This will be the trial of the century in Idaho. Nobody wants to be the one to frick up the case. They'll use every bit of evidence they can possibly come up with. They'll have to be careful they don't do too much and overwhelm and confuse the jury.
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