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re: ICE has a chance to do the funniest thing
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:25 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:25 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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just because they crossed an imaginary border to come here to find success
Where do imaginary borders stop? Extreme hypothetical, what if he showed up in your back yard and set up a tent? What if you were a landscaper and he undercut you?
I get it, there are emotional stories with all these people, but frick do it legally.
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Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:26 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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I'm sick of y'all trying to paint these folks as bad just because they crossed an imaginary border to come here to find success.
This is just as retarded as people thinking we can just round everybody up and send them on their way fwiw
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:26 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you have some examples of how long they were here and when they were vetted?
Bro, you need to read better. She already said that they were part of the last step of a naturalization process.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:28 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you have some examples of how long they were here and when they were vetted?
At a minimum, they would've had an FBI background check, fingerprints taken, passed an English proficiency exam in both speaking and written form, and conducted an interview with immigration officials. Plus paid a minimum of $700 to the government and who knows how much to lawyers to guide the process along. All that over the course of at LEAST 5 years.
Oh yeah, I forgot pass a US civics test. If anything, I'd bet these people know more about civics than the average citizen. And we're pulling the rug from under them at the 11th hour because "lol fuk them immigrants"
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:29 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you have some examples of how long they were here and when they were vetted?
They were completing the legal naturalization process in the US. This is what you have to do in order to be naturalized (at the bare minimum):
- Be 18 years old or older.
- Held a valid green card for at least 5 years (or 3 years if married to a US citizen)
- Show continuous residency in the US for that same 5 year period.
- Prove you are a person of "good moral character".
- Able to read, write, and speak basic English.
- Complete an N-400 application form and fees (roughly $800) ( Link to US Government Checklist for a N-400 application)
- Attend a biometrics appointment
- Complete citizenship interview and test
- Attend Oath of Allegiance Ceremony (which the people in question were TRYING to go).
They often end up having to hire immigration lawyers to help complete the complicated process as well so you can add the fees of that as well.
10 Steps to Naturalization
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:29 pm to Ingeniero
How many folks has this happened to?
Definitely fricked up imo
Definitely fricked up imo
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:32 pm to Sun God
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How many folks has this happened to?
Definitely fricked up imo
It literally just happened last week here in Louisville to 15 qualified, legal immigrants solely because Trump retroactively banned the country they were immigrating from. That's literally the only reason they were denied. They had passed and completed all of the steps and paid all of the fees before their swearing in (the last step).
So no they didn't "definitely fricked up".
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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She already said that they were part of the last step of a naturalization process.
you do realize people who are illegally here can make it through the naturalization process right? it's much tougher but it happens
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
I meant the situation is fricked up ding dong
15 in Louisville? How widespread?
15 in Louisville? How widespread?
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:33 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you have some examples of how long they were here and when they were vetted?
You have to be a lawful permanent resident (read: green card holder) for at least 5 years before you can even apply for naturalization. So anyone showing up for their naturalization ceremony would have already been here legally for 5 years at minimum.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:34 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I get it, there are emotional stories with all these people, but frick do it legally.
I wish we had a good answer.
Most of these "illegals" they're going after aren't folks who jumped a fence or swam across the Rio Grande. Most of them sought asylum which means they got to the border and met with American officials. The asylum process is a nightmare. They eventually say F it, I'm here and I'm staying. It's that front-end piece which needs to be fixed.....once contact is made at the border, what changes can we make that vets the asylum seeker, a quota/limit of those accepted for asylum, a means of tracking these folks if we're going to require a court date, and beef up the border outside of these entry points to discourage those who are just trying to skip the border.
None of that is easy and none of it is politically popular.
shite needs to change and ICE isn't the change that's needed, imo. I TRULY believe there are a lot of really good, solid people who are in this country illegally and it pisses me off to no end to see ICE siting outside courtrooms and churches instead of going into the barrios/slums where we know the criminals reside. They're scared of getting shot. They're running up numbers killing kittens when the American voters tasked them with taking down the lions.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:34 pm to Topwater Trout
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you do realize people who are illegally here can make it through the naturalization process right? it's much tougher but it happens
If you are able to make it through the legal naturalization process, with all of that government vetting, without getting flagged or denied that's on the government for not doing their job in the vetting process.
You're just being a contrarian at this point. That's like saying all doctor's should be banned from insurance reimbursement because a small percentage committed insurance fraud.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:35 pm to Topwater Trout
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you do realize people who are illegally here can make it through the naturalization process right? it's much tougher but it happens
Thank you for asking the tough questions, such as whether someone who has already completed several steps in the paperwork for naturalization, including having a Green Card for at least 5 years, is actually here legally. Thank you for your service.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:39 pm to BluegrassBelle
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If you are able to make it through the legal naturalization process, with all of that government vetting, without getting flagged or denied that's on the government for not doing their job in the vetting process.
the point is some, even though illegally here, have become us citizens. My point is also how do you know without a doubt all were here legally and none have done anything that could have had their visas or green cards cancelled. Just bc they were almost finishing the naturalization process doesn't mean they did everything legally...which is what you are assuming.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:40 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Most of them sought asylum which means they got to the border and met with American officials.
That’s not what that means and libs changed what qualifies as “asylum” to include economic hardship which is total bullshite. Any nation in the world has less economic prosperity so it can be used as a tool to grant anyone asylum they want.
And you can enter the country “illegally” and claim asylum at which point you have a year to meet with officials. So your understanding of the process is fundamentally wrong or you just don’t understand it.
Asylum is without argument being abused
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:41 pm to Topwater Trout
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Just bc they were almost finishing the naturalization process doesn't mean they did everything legally
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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Thank you for asking the tough questions, such as whether someone who has already completed several steps in the paperwork for naturalization, including having a Green Card for at least 5 years, is actually here legally. Thank you for your service.
thank you for not understanding that some people still make it thru steps of the process and all the way thru even though they didn't do all of it legally.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:42 pm to Topwater Trout
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the point is some, even though illegally here, have become us citizens. My point is also how do you know without a doubt all were here legally and none have done anything that could have had their visas or green cards cancelled. Just bc they were almost finishing the naturalization process doesn't mean they did everything legally...which is what you are assuming.
You realize this is the point of an elongated naturalization process, which has many different requirements, right? In this instance, you want bureaucratic overview from many different departments. Again, thank you for inventing bureaucratic oversight from behind your keyboard. Where would be without you asking the tough questions, such as 'yeah, but what if they aren't?'
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:42 pm to Sun God
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I meant the situation is fricked up ding dong
15 in Louisville? How widespread?
It applied to most in the middle of the naturalization process from several countries. I was just providing the definitive proof of what I've seen in my own area since the criticism is typically "Do you even have proof this is happening?".
The order with the list of countries:
Trump's EO from 2 days ago on Foreign Nationals
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 12:44 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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That’s not what that means
Uh, that's exactly what seeking asylum means. They met with an American official at the border and made a case to ask for protection via entry to the United States. As you J6rs like to say, "they just let them right in!"
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and libs changed what qualifies as “asylum” to include economic hardship which is total bullshite.
Agree with you on this. It's far too easy of a claim to make and is the primary reason immigration was out of control under Biden.
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