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Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:22 pm to fightin tigers
Wasn’t in good shape. They introduced his medical records, he lived a rough life.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:23 pm to Reluctantjuror
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Defense made a point to note that the cops had indicated that Jackson had a knife when they found him on the ground and the hospital report said he had a pocket knife among his other personal effects.
Why would the defense make this point? Did you mean prosecution?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:24 pm to Reluctantjuror
How does it feel knowing that you sent a man to prison for 30 years who might have actually acted in self defense?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:26 pm to Jake88
Defense introduced the fact that the cops sent out a warning over their radio that Jackson had a knife in his pocket and that the hospital had identified that he had a knife when doing inventory. Prosecution made a point of asking how plausible it was to cut wards hand, ward beating him, and Jackson folding the knife up and placing it back in his pocket while being punched and kicked.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:29 pm to Reluctantjuror
Thanks for clarifying.
But again, if the knife “stayed in his pocket” the whole time Ward wouldn’t have known he had a knife on him. If the Prosecution theory is he made the knife story up only after he heard the cops talking about the knife, I’m not sure why the Defense would bring that up at all
So they really didn’t test the knife for blood when Ward claimed he cut his hand with it? Or did they and it was clean?
But again, if the knife “stayed in his pocket” the whole time Ward wouldn’t have known he had a knife on him. If the Prosecution theory is he made the knife story up only after he heard the cops talking about the knife, I’m not sure why the Defense would bring that up at all
So they really didn’t test the knife for blood when Ward claimed he cut his hand with it? Or did they and it was clean?
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:30 pm to Reluctantjuror
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No one made any comment about that
Interesting
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:30 pm to Eighteen
Because they were trying to prove that he had a knife and the cops were concerned about it.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:31 pm to Dirk Dawgler
I don’t believe he acted in self defense.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:33 pm to Eighteen
The knife thing was all on the defense.prosecution was basically like wtf with this knife theory.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:34 pm to Reluctantjuror
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prosecution was basically like wtf with this knife theory.
Of course they did. So nobody tested the knife for blood?
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:34 pm to Reluctantjuror
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I don’t believe
Is that the standard now?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:36 pm to Reluctantjuror
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I don’t believe he acted in self defense.
What testimony was given describing the initial events of the incident? We know there was no video evidence, so how many people were just standing around watching this go down? Probably not great witnesses at 1:30 in the morning.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:36 pm to Reluctantjuror
So are you not allowed to tell us about actual hard evidence presented?
-Was their dna on the knife?
-Was Ward treated for a cut on his hand?
-Was there any security footage of the incident at all?
-What made the witnesses believable (I am skeptical of eye witnesses after seeing how completely inaccurate they can be going back to “Hands Up Don’t Shoot”, etc).
I’m just generally curious how you decided if it was he said (Ward) she said (Witnesses). I’m not saying you’re wrong, you have the evidence and heard it all
-Was their dna on the knife?
-Was Ward treated for a cut on his hand?
-Was there any security footage of the incident at all?
-What made the witnesses believable (I am skeptical of eye witnesses after seeing how completely inaccurate they can be going back to “Hands Up Don’t Shoot”, etc).
I’m just generally curious how you decided if it was he said (Ward) she said (Witnesses). I’m not saying you’re wrong, you have the evidence and heard it all
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:40 pm to Reluctantjuror
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2 white 1 Asian 11 black (including 2 alternates)
Who were the 10 for murder and the 2 for manslaughter?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:43 pm to Eighteen
The big one was when the cops found him in the parking garage he never said anything about being mugged or stabbed. There were no medical records of him being treated for a stab wound and the detective testified that ward would never have been admitted to opp if he had open wounds which is also why the detective didn’t believe ward. Then there was the random picture of his hand being cut that the defense only introduced on the last day of trial. Etc.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:43 pm to Eighteen
[quote] -Was their dna on the knife[/quote
You don’t think the defense would have raised that as evidence if there was? That’s exculpatory evidence the prosecution would have to disclose. And as point out, it makes no sense that Ward would have folded up the knife and neatly placed it back in Jackson’s pocket after he was done beating him.
You don’t think the defense would have raised that as evidence if there was? That’s exculpatory evidence the prosecution would have to disclose. And as point out, it makes no sense that Ward would have folded up the knife and neatly placed it back in Jackson’s pocket after he was done beating him.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:44 pm to Reluctantjuror
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2 white 1 Asian 11 black (including 2 alternates)
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:45 pm to Reluctantjuror
Was Garrett’s family at the trial? How did they handle the guilty verdict?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:46 pm to Eighteen
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Was there any security footage of the incident at all?
According to the D.A.'s office, no. Or neither side wanted to introduce it. Idk.
It's just wild that there seems to be no real evidence of what happened prior to this attack.
Ward had been robbed at knife point a few months earlier. This is recorded, because he went to the hospital with a concussion. This in addition to the fact that Jackson has priors for pick pocketing makes the Ward story more plausible.
I can completely see drunk person (who has been recently robbed on the street) immediately attacking a person going through his pockets. The fight or flight instinct is pretty strong.
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