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re: I Refused To Help a Sr Manager from Another Department
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:19 am to littleavery1948
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:19 am to littleavery1948
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I refused because a) It's no longer my job, and I am in another department, b) a Sr Manager should be able to figure out the project without assistance from another department.
So you're one of those "it's not in my job description" people. Don't complain when you're passed over for advancement.
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:20 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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But also in between the lines, Sr. Finance Manager got the job over OP, and OP's point of view is that they should have hired someone who could do the job.
100%. If you're asking me to help with a job that you should have given to me, that's on you. The answer is no.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:21 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:20 am to littleavery1948
The ol’ I’m too good for this company schtick or the ol’ I’m smarter than everyone in the room approach.
This will not end well for you.
Do and support who your asked to for the betterment of the company and stop being loyal to someone that no longer works there. There’s a reason they got burnt out and left. Maybe you’re emotionally burnt out.
It’s a job. You get paid. Either do what is asked of you or find another job.
This will not end well for you.
Do and support who your asked to for the betterment of the company and stop being loyal to someone that no longer works there. There’s a reason they got burnt out and left. Maybe you’re emotionally burnt out.
It’s a job. You get paid. Either do what is asked of you or find another job.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:21 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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That's the thing. OP says the new Finance Manager has been there for 10 years. They're not new to the company.
But also in between the lines, Sr. Finance Manager got the job over OP, and OP's point of view is that they should have hired someone who could do the job.
You can work in a department for a long time and still need a little help getting used to a new role.
And even if your second point is correct and the company made a "bad hire", what good does it do for OP to plant their flag in the ground and show the company it was a mistake? Maybe you make your point to the company and maybe you don't but for 100% certain, you burn up relationship equity you have with your bosses over something that isn't that consequential.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:21 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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OP says the new Finance Manager has been there for 10 years.
lots of shake up where my daughter worked until a week or so ago, and yes, it's DEI at work, lots of people being hired/promoted that do not meet the experience or qualifications for the job, the qualified people, one of which my daughter is, are all leaving and her old department is currently imploding, she doesn't even work there anymore and they call asking for her help
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:21 am to BabyTac
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There’s a reason they got burnt out and left.
It's likely because they kept being asked to do everyone else's job for them.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:22 am to imjustafatkid
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100%. If you're asking me to help with a job that you should have given to me, that's on you. The answer is no.
We don't know that OP even applied/wanted that position. We can infer but that's it.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:23 am to littleavery1948
You are not a team player, recommend you be put on a PIP.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:24 am to Lickitty Split
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would you be receiving a temporary bump in pay to do both jobs.
quote:You must not work in corporate America. This is not how it works homie.
you could have handled it better and probably got paid more
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:24 am to Saint Alfonzo
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You are not a team player, recommend you be put on a PIP.
What he's being asked to assist with is almost certainly not in his job description since he isn't even in that department anymore. Putting him on a PIP would not hold up.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:26 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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That's the thing. OP says the new Finance Manager has been there for 10 years. They're not new to the company.
Understand. But I still think when you are promoted up to a new position, it takes some adjustment to the new duties. Why wouldn't I help, if I could?
And my reading of the OP is that he switched to a different department, and holds the same level position as this new manager. I didn't get from the OP that he wanted that position. Just that he didn't feel like the person hired was as capable as he, even though he chose another position with the company.
I guess if I had put in for the position, and was passed over, it makes more sense. But is that what the OP stated in the OP?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:26 am to imjustafatkid
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What he's being asked to assist with is almost certainly not in his job description since he isn't even in that department anymore. Putting him on a PIP would not hold up.
Fine, straight to the firing then.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:26 am to littleavery1948
If your boss wants you to help, then you help. Seems pretty straight forward.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:27 am to SixthAndBarone
CFO is not my boss. I am a Sr Manager who reports to the COO. I am already in a leadership role. My boss says to do what I think is correct. I’m not going to get fired over this at all.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:27 am to imjustafatkid
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What he's being asked to assist with is almost certainly not in his job description since he isn't even in that department anymore. Putting him on a PIP would not hold up.
People have to pick their battles. You sure on-boarding a newly promoted hire is the hill you wanna burn your relationship equity on? OP even said he didn't mind helping out once in awhile. This response just oozes bitterness.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:27 am to imjustafatkid
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It's likely because they kept being asked to do everyone else's job for them.
Probably so.
Couple things to unpack here. I think it would be reasonable to have a meeting with the person so they can lay out some of the issues they are having and help get them going in the right direction on things. I don't think it is is unreasonable to say that i'm not going to hold their hand through the entire project, which i'm probably guessing is what was really being asked here.
Also, I don't know the size of this company, but why is nobody else in the finance department able to help out here? Is everyone else in that department incapable of this task as well? Is the CFO not able to help clear up the issues that one of their department employees is having if they are the direct report? This does seem like a scenario where there are quite a few levels of complacency and incompetence that could be involved if the only person that can help is in another department.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:28 am to BluegrassBelle
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I mean I think you help on this project because they are new
Except they're not new. OP said this person has been with the company for 10 years. So the question is if they were promoting from within, why did they promote someone who doesn't know how to do the job? Or why didn't the company have this newly promoted manager spend time training with the outgoing retiring manager? Longtime employees who are retiring usually give a fairly amount of notice for their intent to retire, so its not likely that the company only had 2 weeks to find a replacement and train them.
I get that refusing to help is going to reflect poorly on OP in the eyes of his boss, but I also get OP's frustration with the situation too.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:28 am to littleavery1948
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My boss says to do what I think is correct.
Your boss is giving you a chance to make a good decision and you're proving to them that you're petty and bitter.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:29 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Is the CFO not able to help clear up the issues that one of their department employees is having if they are the direct report?
Exactly. This is the CFO simply not wanting to do his/her job.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:29 am to Festus
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I guess if I had put in for the position, and was passed over, it makes more sense.
like that time you got passed over for sergeant at arms of our MC and they still wanted you to set up the next mud check? don't know how you did it but that was one of the most awesome mud checks ever!!
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