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re: I consider myself a man of character sadly this is a lost quality
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:43 am to Korkstand
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:43 am to Korkstand
quote:
Like what? And how?
the cult of celebrity has kind of taken an exponential growth path the past 10 years or so
kim kardashian is the de faccto example, b/c she took what paris hilton did and kicked it into the stratosphere
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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tongue and cheek
You just lost this argument.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Your post I replied to was an opinion.
Im saying it wasnt. There were 2 parts of my statement. Both factual statements. Those were platitudes. That doesnt speak to their truth. But they were platitudes. And i deduced from information in the past, that you were of a, more "well-traveled" generation.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:45 am to To the Dome
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Truthfulness is not easy. Having values and convictions shouldn't be an after thought.
Lying is usually based on opportunity. The more opportunity to profit from dishonesty, the more poeple will lie. However, norms change and thats usually also based on a shift caused by opportunity.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:52 am to Hester Carries
quote:
Im saying it wasnt. There were 2 parts of my statement. Both factual statements. Those were platitudes. That doesnt speak to their truth. But they were platitudes. And i deduced from information in the past, that you were of a, more "well-traveled" generation.
Gotcha...

Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Do you think people didn't worship celebrities before they were always in our face? I think this new, open world has amplified what was already there: people like to have someone to "worship". It happened recently when anyone can become famous. It happened further back when movies were new. And further back the stories of kings and queens and warriors and whatnot.
the cult of celebrity has kind of taken an exponential growth path the past 10 years or so
kim kardashian is the de faccto example, b/c she took what paris hilton did and kicked it into the stratosphere
The "cult of celebrity" was always there, it just has a better outlet now.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Your post I replied to was an opinion.
Unless you can provide some factual evidence that people were more honest and honor bound in the past than now, then no, it is not an opinion that you were speaking in unsupported platitudes.
quote:
tongue and cheek
This is just bad.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:57 am to Korkstand
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Do you think people didn't worship celebrities before they were always in our face?
no celebrity has always been a thing, but the growth path is terrible
people are achieving "celebrity" via social media for the worst type of stuff. either bad behavior or creating the most untruthful version of themselves to promote
if we're talking about character and honesty, the explosion of a social system that rewards ignoring both cannot be seen as a positive step
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Gotcha...

Id also like to add that im a freak who generally loves to debate. Its why i dislike "feelings" and cliches and anecdotes so much. Cause they cant be proven or disproved, everyone has one, they are all different, and they waste everyones time. They are frustrating.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:15 pm to monkeybutt
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Unless you can provide some factual evidence that people were more honest and honor bound in the past than now, then no, it is not an opinion that you were speaking in unsupported platitudes.
Do you have factual evidence for all of your opinions?
Its no stretch to say when people were less litigious, more rural, agricultural and community based that their word was far more important than it is today.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:19 pm to LucasP
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Honesty is maybe the most important character asset. Disagree. Not raping people is more important than honesty, in my humble opinion. But hey if you're OK with honest rapists then have at it.

I was born in 61'.My folks were into Frank Sinatra,Andy Williams,Henry Mancini,etc..
Besides in the car on a trip I remember them listening to music more when I was younger.
They started taking me with them to some Ball-Games when I was 10,11,..I went in The Playboy Club in Atlanta with them and another couple and their son.I remember the Bunnies walking around.It was pretty surreal.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I agree totally, but this is created entirely by people. The tools/technology didn't create this on its own. They just shrunk the world and exposed this side of us to more people. IMO.
no celebrity has always been a thing, but the growth path is terrible
people are achieving "celebrity" via social media for the worst type of stuff. either bad behavior or creating the most untruthful version of themselves to promote
Posted on 8/3/16 at 12:43 pm to To the Dome
Very few people live their lives with integrity and honesty now. The rest are democrats.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I try not to form an opinion based upon assuming I know what other people are thinking. I'm not making statements about knowing how
Unless you are inside of the heads of the majority of people in the past and now, then I think that kind of statement means absolutely nothing.
quote:
The majority of people certainly took personal oaths more seriously.
Unless you are inside of the heads of the majority of people in the past and now, then I think that kind of statement means absolutely nothing.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 3:06 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
He also saidquote:
Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.
Actually, that is from a letter written to Lincoln by Reverend James Mitchell. Not something Lincoln said.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 5:25 pm to monkeybutt
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Unless you are inside of the heads of the majority of people in the past and now, then I think that kind of statement means absolutely nothing.
Youre entitled to your opinion as well. One guess is as good as another.
Ive provided ressoning for my opinion however.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 5:53 pm to monkeybutt
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Unless you are inside of the heads of the majority of people in the past and now, then I think that kind of statement means absolutely nothing.
People were held more accountable about their speech and actions because so much of it was in the public domain. Outlets for free, unfettered expression were limited. The scope for that has now been blown wide open. Thus, people possess less integrity in their speech which, like it or not, is an extension of a person's character.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 6:15 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Wow, and humble too.
I just laughed my arse off with that one. Good one man!
Posted on 8/3/16 at 6:23 pm to To the Dome
Yep.
I just ran off a shite company that I spent $60K with.
Was gonna spend another $3-400K, but these numbnuts can't get a coherent email out the door. Complete lack of integrity and professionalism.
Replaced them in 10 minutes...
I just ran off a shite company that I spent $60K with.
Was gonna spend another $3-400K, but these numbnuts can't get a coherent email out the door. Complete lack of integrity and professionalism.
Replaced them in 10 minutes...
Posted on 8/3/16 at 6:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Roger, you are in my thoughts and prayers. 

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