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re: I am really feeling bad for the family of the pilot in the helicopter tragedy
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:55 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:55 am to choupiquesushi
In most all cases this is what happens.
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Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:56 am to SDVTiger
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Just stop. He flew into a mountain. You are a moron
Yes, you stupid jackass. The point is, you have no clue why.
So STFU until the crash investigators do their job.
Your ignorant arse has never been near the controls of any aircraft. Flying coach in the aluminum tube of death does not qualify you as an expert.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 8:56 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:56 am to dallastiger55
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Said everytime there is a wreck the pilot always takes the blame and said that he’s flown A list celebrities for 30 years and 90% of the time when he tells them it’s not ok to fly they overrule him and tell him they don’t care and need to get there ASAP
Sadly in private aviation there is an extremely strong "gottagetthere" syndrome. It is likely responsible for more private aviation crashes than anything else.
I always, and I mean always defer to my flight crew because there is nothing in the world I need to get to bad enough to risk my life and those with me.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:57 am to Rocket Surgeon
Keep melting over facts bro
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:57 am to Rebel
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The guy had an immaculate flying history in regards to safety.
Doesn’t mean he never made a decision that put the aircraft in a unsafe situation.. There are a lot of cowboy type pilots that have a clean record right up to the day they don’t.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:58 am to Rouge
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I would imagine that the mob is already forming.
you can be mad at the pilot all you want, i still wouldn't re-direct that anger to his family though.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:58 am to SDVTiger
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Keep melting over facts bro
List your "facts".
When the NTSB finishes up. We'll see how close you are.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:59 am to Tigeralum2008
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Honestly, the pilot should be blamed.
As a pilot (low time) I agree. In fact, part of the rationale I use myself to fly or not fly friends or family is that I don’t want the NTSB to find me to blame for our deaths.
Part of being a pilot is the understanding that if you make a poor decision you know that you will be used as a learning tool for what not to do.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:59 am to Rocket Surgeon
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List your "facts".
The helicopter flew into a mountain.
That is a fact.
It could've happened for a variety of reasons like the ones you mentioned.
That is speculation, however. Not fact.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:00 am to Rocket Surgeon
He flew into a Mountain cause he couldnt see it pretty simple
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:00 am to gumbo2176
Internet FAA investigators are quick to make a ruling
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:03 am to LSUintheNW
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What were those?
From off the cuff.
Flying VFR when IFR would have been safer. You can literally hear how incredulous/shocked the ATC's were when dealing with the pilot who only asked for a "VFR flight following"
I saw on the news today the helicopter DID NOT have a terrain warning system. Knowing your aircraft and any potential safety weaknesses seems to be common sense. i'm sure the pilot attempted such but had somehow not thought of the hills
The aircraft was in a holding pattern for 15 minutes. I'm sure the pilot was updating weather conditions during that time. He had plenty of decision time to check his route, look at elevations, and develop a game plan
I learned that many helicopters flying VFR do not follow aviation nav beacons and simply follow highway routes. You can hear that on the audio communications "following the 101"... Once visibility limited that ability, the pilot should have decided the best option to safely navigate to the destination
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:05 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:this.....
Sadly in private aviation there is an extremely strong "gottagetthere" syndrome. It is likely responsible for more private aviation crashes than anything else.
I always, and I mean always defer to my flight crew because there is nothing in the world I need to get to bad enough to risk my life and those with me.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:06 am to Tigeralum2008
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Flying VFR when IFR would have been safer
let's also remember, we had an Army helo crash in the gulf recently when the pilot lost his bearings in foggy conditions. That pilot was found at fault because he did not switch to IFR
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:07 am to Rocket Surgeon
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Can we get your credentials that qualify you to make this judgement?
It wasn’t a judgement. It was a perception.
You can tell the difference by the usage of phrases like “I don’t know” and words like “seems.”
What I do know that civil aviation on a craft of this rating are built so that a single failure doesn’t result in a catastrophic crash. It takes a cascade of events, or failure to follow procedures that safe operation bases their assumption on.
That is why for all of the training and procedures. It’s not because flying is hard. It’s because these types of accidents are almost always a case of poor judgement that was sometimes amplified by a mechanical/instrument failure.
Especially in the modern glass cockpit era.
We need to wait for the investigation for the full story....but obviously there was some degree of pilot error. The ONLY question is how much.
If nothing else, there is the judgement of other aviation elements in the area that the weather was too unsafe for operation and grounded their assets, and the judgement here to proceed.
I honestly don’t care one way or another. Kobe was a non entity to me. No more a tragedy if he had been replaced by someone else.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:07 am to TH03
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It could've happened for a variety of reasons like the ones you mentioned.
That is speculation, however. Not fact.
That is why you have highly trained crash investigators with virtually unlimited government resources.
In a high profile case like this they will pull out all the stops.
This is a 747 that exploded over the ocean and the pieces went down in hundreds of feet of water. They brought it up and put it back together. Then figured out what went wrong (not pilot error).
So, yes. I am going to believe the assumptions of a bunch of ignorant jackasses with a keyboard and a fresh hotpocket from Mom's microwave.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:08 am to Rocket Surgeon
You need to calm down. You have been melting since you started this new alter
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:09 am to Rocket Surgeon
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That is why you have highly trained crash investigators with virtually unlimited government resources.
No shite.
They haven't concluded anything yet so what you're saying is all speculation.
The only fact is that the helicopter crashed into a mountain at 200 MPH.
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So, yes. I am going to believe the assumptions of a bunch of ignorant jackasses with a keyboard and a fresh hotpocket from Mom's microwave.
You're the one assuming things. He's stating literally the only facts of the incident.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 9:10 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:11 am to TH03
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No shite.
They haven't concluded anything yet so what you're saying is all speculation.
The only fact is that the helicopter crashed into a mountain at 200 MPH.
I'm not speculating at all.
I'm the one saying we need to wait and see what the NTSB investigators find.
The ones speculating are the one blaming the pilot when the investigation has barely gotten underway.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:11 am to Rouge
I know I've wondered the pilot would have flown had the client been Joe Blow.
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