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re: Hurricane vs wildfire insurance about to be nonexistent

Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
13841 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:59 pm to
As you know, E&S carriers can price however they want.

Admitted carriers can file for rate increases, provided they are justified and/or reasonable.

Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
9819 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:00 pm to
I know you are, just pointing out that they won’t understand is all
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10243 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

As you know, E&S carriers can price however they want.


True, and at a certain point that may be the only option in CA
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Here's a thought, stop funding the Biden's Ukraine war and use it for taxpayers


How about neither?

I'd rather have lower taxes. Subsidizing people living in high risk areas because they like the view should not be a burden upon me.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8723 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:08 pm to
I rebuilt my house after a hurricane and met all fire, flood,windstorm construction. standards. Probably 50 grand cost to do that, but I believe my new house can with stand a hurricane with minimum damage.

Does California have fire storm construction standards such as non combustible roofing, siding. From the looks of the total loss, must not!
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39247 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

I’m just stating factual information from being in the industry for 12 years.


Maybe you can answer this question I have had for a while.

Major insurers have tons of subs which are state by state which allows for bracketing risk and premium by state. Totally understand that.

But for management and overhead purposes, at least in the eyes of consumers, it is all at the corporate parent level. We see State Farm, we don't see State Farm LA subsidiary, etc.

So, I am assuming that the state subs basically pay a fee back to the parent company for management, overhead, marketing, claim service, etc. Is that correct?

If that is correct... how is this amount determined? It is a flat fee per policy? Percentage of premium? Some other method?

I could easily see a situation in which more of these costs are pushed out to subs in states with insurance issues, which essentially means those bad states are subsidizing those good states.

The reverse could also be true... perhaps the bad states aren't paying their fair share of corporate costs, so the good state ratepayers are subsidizing tbe bad state ratepayers.

I've done enough cost absorption work over the years to know that companies can use this to manipulate things.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10243 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

Does California have fire storm construction standards such as non combustible roofing, siding. From the looks of the total loss, must not!


Non combustible construction is extremely expensive, but their building code is focused more on earthquake mitigation vs wildfire.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
2608 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:11 pm to
So I'm confused, what would insurance actually cover?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
46192 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:11 pm to
The insurance companies have been trying to get federal government to pick up wildlife and named storm insurance for years so they can make trillions and not measly billions a year
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39247 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

The government is the reason for the current state of the market in CA


I read that until recently (like 2 weeks ago) insurance companies in CA were not allowed to account for reinsurance increases in their premium increases. This is crazy.
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
5882 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:11 pm to
Rebuilding and maybe if you got coverage of items like jewelry etc?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39247 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

How about stop building homes in areas that have regularly, for hundreds of thousands of years, endured wildfires as a natural eco-occurence as well as stop building homes on the beach and barrier islands subject to hurricanes?


So we are going to shove everyone into farm country?
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
14823 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Plenty of major carriers are not stock companies


Gotcha.

So where did we fail here? Is it because we have had too many disasters? Or has inflation pushed costs up so quickly there's not enough time between disasters to have the liquidity to cover all the damages timely?

Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
5882 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:13 pm to
Ding ding ding
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

Does California have fire storm construction standards such as non combustible roofing, siding. From the looks of the total loss, must not!


I did see one broad being interviewed say that they were required to have a tile roof. May have been a local ordinance for newer construction. Older homes would be grandfathered.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10243 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:14 pm to
Hurricane Andrew was one of the first major storms to push insurance companies to the brink of financial insolvency. at that time, the subs in Florida had to borrow money from their parent companies, and are still paying that money back. The entities have their own reserve targets, profitability ratios, etc, but they are still wholly part of the parent company, so they aren’t paying a fee. UW losses in Florida reflect as parent company losses.
Posted by theliontamer
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
1402 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:15 pm to
I'm in my mid 30s and own 4 houses. I'm sick of all this insurance non sense and I think we need to teach people how to take care of themselves and their property.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
4121 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

live in Washington state and my insurance is super low proportional to my home price…. But there’s like 0 risk here.


Ever heard of Mt St Helens in your state?
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
5882 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:16 pm to
Bro what do you want them to do when a cat 5 hits?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39247 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

I'm sick of socializing other people's losses. People that can't get the required insurance still have options:

1. Live somewhere where there is insurance you want.


That works for a young renter if they can find a job in the area that has better insurance costs. But what about the family in St Bernard parish who wants to move out because of rising insurance costs, but no one will buy their home because of rising insurance costs? Most people can't afford to move unless they can sell their current home. Especially considering many people have wealth in their home.

quote:

Don't mortgage your home.


Especially considering home prices today, what percentage of people do you think can buy a home without a mortgage? Are you in favor of 90% of homes being owned by private equity? Becuase this is how you get there.

quote:

3. Hurricane and/or fireproof your home.


This is likely the least pathetic of your three answers. Still there are significant costs here. Most people would need to borrow money to do this.
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