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re: Hurricane Maria - Visiting the Outer Banks before Moving OTS

Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:55 am to
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:55 am to
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rds dc


Radar doesn't seem to indicate an EWRC yet, but we'll see.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:56 am to
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Okay Duke, time to teach 50 something new. WTF is a hot tower



Wiki on Hot Towers

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A hot tower is a tropical cumulonimbus cloud that penetrates the tropopause, i.e. it reaches out of the lowest layer of the atmosphere, the troposphere, into the stratosphere. In the tropics, the tropopause typically lies at least 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) above sea level. These towers are called "hot" because they rise high due to the large amount of latent heat released as water vapor condenses into liquid and freezes into ice.[1] The presence of hot towers with a tropical cyclone's eyewall can indicate strengthening is more likely during the next six hours.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:56 am to
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Okay Duke, time to teach 50 something new. WTF is a hot tower


Big arse convective burst. They look like wrinkly clouds on a sat image. Those burst cool the hell out of the warm air it's picking up (those black, grey, and even pink colors on IR showing super cold cloud tops), liberating all sorts of heat energy for work.

Seeing those indicates a storm is rapidly gaining strength.

To quote the article I shared with it:

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Enough water vapor was condensing into rain inside of this cell that rapid updrafts developed, rapid enough to lift the precipitation until it froze and then even higher until it penetrated (lol) into the lower stratosphere at 16.75 km altitude," said Owen Kelley of NASA Goddard's Precipitation Processing System.. 

"This tall cell (also known as a "hot tower") was part of a sequence of such cells that were seen by infrared satellite instruments, such as the one on the recently launched GOES-16 satellite. Meanwhile, Maria put on an unexpectedly fast intensification from category 1 to category 3 on the Saffir-Simpson scale on Monday (Sept. 18)."

Research conducted at NASA, at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and elsewhere suggests that a sequence of hot towers, also known as a "convective burst," is one a way to detect that a hurricane's heat engine going into high gear.  The end result is intensified winds circling the eye at the ocean's surface.


Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:57 am to
Recon has left Curacao en route to Maria.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:58 am to
Learn something new every day! Thanks guys!
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:03 pm to
Venezuela prepares humanitarian aid for island of Dominica.



Trinidad and Tobago also announce they are sending assistance. They are sending the National Helicopter Services Limited helicopters and the T&T Defence Force personnel.



Listen to one of the last voices out of Dominica before communications went down overnight.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:04 pm to
A bit of a silver lining here, but neither the GFS nor the Euro indicate any additional tropical activity over the next 10 days.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:08 pm to
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A bit of a silver lining here, but neither the GFS nor the Euro indicate any additional tropical activity over the next 10 days.



Aren't we coming down the mountain in terms of the season?
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:12 pm to
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Big arse convective burst. They look like wrinkly clouds on a sat image. Those burst cool the hell out of the warm air it's picking up (those black, grey, and even pink colors on IR showing super cold cloud tops), liberating all sorts of heat energy for work.

Seeing those indicates a storm is rapidly gaining strength.

To quote the article I shared with it:

quote:
Enough water vapor was condensing into rain inside of this cell that rapid updrafts developed, rapid enough to lift the precipitation until it froze and then even higher until it penetrated (lol) into the lower stratosphere at 16.75 km altitude," said Owen Kelley of NASA Goddard's Precipitation Processing System.. 

"This tall cell (also known as a "hot tower") was part of a sequence of such cells that were seen by infrared satellite instruments, such as the one on the recently launched GOES-16 satellite. Meanwhile, Maria put on an unexpectedly fast intensification from category 1 to category 3 on the Saffir-Simpson scale on Monday (Sept. 18)."

Research conducted at NASA, at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and elsewhere suggests that a sequence of hot towers, also known as a "convective burst," is one a way to detect that a hurricane's heat engine going into high gear.  The end result is intensified winds circling the eye at the ocean's surface.



Convective burst are still poorly understood and there is still a lot of uncertainty to what role they play in hurricane strengthening and maintenance but they appear play a key role. The problem with studying them is that they are storm scale features (smaller than mesoscale) that don't last very long. It appears that CBs closer to the center, with higher vertical velocities and higher rain rates are associated with better storm structure and chances for intensification. The other problem with them is that they can't be resolved by current computer models and can't be predicted. Maria is in a relatively low shear environment and the mesovorts in the eye (clearly seen on sat images) will play a role in future CBs since they can force mixing between the eye and eyewall.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42749 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:14 pm to
If she maintains same direction currently, St. Croix gonna need A LOT of help.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:14 pm to
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Aren't we coming down the mountain in terms of the season

Hurricane season peaks sharply in the middle of September, so yes, we are coming down the mountain.
This season, I won't feel comfortable until at least mid October.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:20 pm to
Looks like a thread with good info. Thanks guys. I'm just lurking.


.... or maybe I could be the one to make it more interesting. Should I give you my gut feeling, cuss you out for the cone existence or because you are too dumb to use triangles. <- joking of course.

Thanks for sharing info.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted by flyAU
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:32 pm to
How the hell does Venezuela have anything to aid anyone with?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:41 pm to
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How the hell does Venezuela have anything to aid anyone with?


I was thinking the same thing.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:45 pm to
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How the hell does Venezuela have anything to aid anyone with?


Easy, they steal it from their own people to give to others.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91271 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:48 pm to
I know these storms will wobble, but I don't recall a storm that has wobbled more than Maria:



I guess this was to be expected with a name like Maria.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42749 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:49 pm to
Looks to be moving NW w/W booty shakes
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:52 pm to
A lot going on with those convective burst and wanes going on and the little eye shows all the little movements I suppose.

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I guess this was to be expected with a name like Maria.





Keeping it SWF really limited my opportunities.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43097 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:53 pm to
Got 2 planes going into Maria, one is low-level recon, the other one I would bet is an upper level dropsonde mission.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:55 pm to


Hints of a second big eyewall showing up on radar now. Little dry slot on the NW side, looks like higer reflectivity wrapping around. Glad recon is inbound to confirm, since we don't have a full picture from SJ.

And yeah, I bet the second plane is sampling the upper levels to help the models out some.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:57 pm
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