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re: H.P.D. K9 Units in HEB Parking lot - Legal?

Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:45 pm to
Posted by Tigershatebama
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
276 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:45 pm to
100% this is a rent a cop. My local HEB has one of these. It's some police academy drop out working for some company called SEALS. The dogs are for their protection. These rent a cops aren't there for shoplifting or sniffing. The dogs are untrained pets. A few years ago someone was killed in an HEB parking lot, so these guys were hired to "patrol."

BTW When the frick did this place turn into Nextdoor? There's a new middle aged Hispanic lady ranting about this shite every week on my Nextdoor app.
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
2161 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:53 pm to
They’ve been doing this at the Westheimer/kirkwood HEB for at least the last couple/few months. I don’t think it was HPD, but I didn’t look that close.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9968 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:03 pm to
I'll single you out but there's a ton of bad information in this thread. A free sniff of the air molecules next to your car is NOT a search. It's been upheld time and time again by the court system. It's not a 4th amendment violation just because you say it is. It's the same as a plate reader randomly running license plates for warrants.

You said they can't randomly pull you over for a dog sniff. That's correct. You need reasonable suspicion to pull someone over. But that's not what's happening in this parking lot. Cars are already pulled over and presumably inside shopping. In this instance yes, a dog can perform a canine sniff with zero suspicion.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9968 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:07 pm to
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You and I both know that's bullshite. That's a cop mentality of trying to skirt the fricking Constitutional law to find a sack of fricking weed.


Wrong. You were legally allowed to do random canine sniffs without any level of suspicion. I've seen it done a thousand times. It's legal. I'm sorry this hurts your feelings.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
22947 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

I'm not 'clueless' about what I saw. I saw a male, which was either an law enforcement officer or trying very hard to look exactly like a law enforcement officer,


You mean like private security companies do all the time, all over the city and all over American?

You sound like a paranoid stoner who hasn't left the house in 20 years.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21646 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:16 pm to
They can stop and search me anytime because I have nothing illegal on me. The dog can sniff my arse as well. All I carry in my pockets are a knife, money clip, slim wallet, couple of pepper mints and a cell phone. Car keys lanyard hangs out of the left front pocket. My EDC CCW sits on my waist at 1:00 o’clock.
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31858 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:35 pm to
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Wrong. You were legally allowed to do random canine sniffs without any level of suspicion. I've seen it done a thousand times. It's legal. I'm sorry this hurts your feelings



This has nothing to do with any hurt feelings. Also, I’m not wrong. I said it was bullshite that ‘for all you know. he was out walking his dog’. He was not just out walking his dog in the scenario that was being presented. You even said yourself that “random
Canine sniffs” are allowed lawfully. “Random canine sniffs” are not “out walking his dog” so what he was inferring was indeed ‘bullshite’.
Posted by Bucket
Member since Feb 2011
76 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:48 pm to
A lot of these rent a cops go to great lengths to make people think they are real cops. Including having their untrained pets with them. It seems his plan worked perfectly with you.
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31858 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

A lot of these rent a cops go to great lengths to make people think they are real cops. Including having their untrained pets with them. It seems his plan worked perfectly with you.


Quite possible. Pathetic to try so hard that you bring your pet to work, but plausible.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9968 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:06 pm to
I'm simply stating that you don't need the excuse of "being out walking your dog" when you discovered that he or she alerted on a vehicle. I'm saying you don't need that excuse in the first place. You (as in a federal law enforcement agent- I don't speak for locals and their policies) are legally allowed to sweep a parking lot and sniff the air molecules next to any car you want.
Posted by Vote4MikeAck504
Go Cocks!
Member since Mar 2019
3098 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:29 pm to
Not that I like it but it’s legal.
Posted by Vote4MikeAck504
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Member since Mar 2019
3098 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:32 pm to
No it’s not.
Posted by Vote4MikeAck504
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Member since Mar 2019
3098 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:41 pm to
But you wrong doe.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
23980 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 1:08 pm to
So by that logic they could walk around and through any apartment building and if a dog triggered at a door get a warrant.

That is some grade A overreach.

Since hallways in apartment buildings are common areas similar to parking lots being common areas where would the difference be?

I am not an attorney but if I were a juror on either case I wouldn't vote to convict. In Texas, a vehicle has been ruled a home so in essence that cop is walking around someone's home allowing the dog to trigger.
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