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re: How well did the French Army of 1940 fight against the Germans?

Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:44 pm to
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:44 pm to
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Tell us about the many books you've read on the topic.


Dude, chill, you're sounding dumb. Let's get to it, how many books have you read about it? That's your purpose here, correct?
Posted by Polycarp
Texas
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:48 pm to
Not very good...
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:48 pm to
I have many books bound in genuine Corinthian leather. My office smells of rich mahogany.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
151053 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:48 pm to
usually having a total collapse in a little over a month suggests you didnt fight as well as you could have
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
151053 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:49 pm to
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The French military doctrines were not "backward"
yes they were
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135035 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:49 pm to
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Eh. I think the war was still winnable for the Germans up until the invasion of the USSR. That is the point that germany sealed their fate imo.


There’s an argument that had the Germans prepped better, started earlier in the year and pressed on full force into Moscow instead of getting bogged down at Stalingrad and elsewhere, they might have destabilized the USSR enough to force it into another armistice or even capitulation.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:50 pm to
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Let's get to it, how many books have you read about it? That's your purpose here, correct?


I was thinking he hadn't read any, but figured his tenure running the hair clippers at Camp Villere gave him a lot of practical insight.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39239 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:54 pm to
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The French Army was actually much better trained and equipped than the German Army.


Ooph. Idk man. Let’s line up some weapons platforms between the two at this time.

Standard rifle
French standard rifle lebel/berthier and the mas-36
German kar-98
Advantage German.


Standard machine gun
French- fm24/29
Germans- mg34
Advantage, Germans.

Tanks
French - r35 light tank b1 heavy s35 medium.
Germans- panzer 3/4, various TD platforms
Advantage - armor, French. Everything else, germans. Key here are German optics, radio use, and the fact their armor was separate from the infantry.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56198 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:55 pm to
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Let's get to it, how many books have you read about it? That's your purpose here, correct?


No, idiot, that is not my purpose. My purpose is to bring some insight into a topic that everybody THINKS that they know very well, but don't.

How many books have I read on the topic? This sort of thing is my chosen profession, so, I have spent some time studying this kind of stuff.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135035 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:57 pm to
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Tanks
French - r35 light tank b1 heavy s35 medium.
Germans- panzer 3/4, various TD platforms
Advantage - armor, French. Everything else, germans. Key here are German optics, radio use, and the fact their armor was separate from the infantry.



That and the meth

Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56198 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:57 pm to
And yet in the battles listed in the article, the French combat units acquitted themselves well.

You ARE familiar with most of those battles, aren't you?

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96252 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:57 pm to
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Curiously, before the end of 1942 and with a few rare exceptions, no other land army was able to fight tactically as effectively against the Wehrmacht as the French army of 1940.



The entire premise is flawed. The French Army was incredible in WWI - they were just led by 19th Century butchers (which was mostly true of the Germans as well) who had no understanding what a meat grinder machine guns and over-the-horizon field artillery were going to make of infantry assaults.

But in WWII? Just awful. 6 weeks. You can only defend your own country with the, on paper, most powerful army on Earth for 6 weeks? Against a force whose logistics support was essentially horse drawn carts and guys carrying stuff by hand?

Get the frick out of here. They were prepared to refight WWI all over again, thus the Maginot Line. They skipped the chapters where the Germans went around their defensive line 25 years earlier, THROUGH BELGIUM. Hitler and company were doing a perfected version of the Schlieffen Plan from a generation prior. One the French barely blunted the last time when things moved much more slowly. And they were fooled by it again, despite Hitler's far more obvious aggressiveness (compared to the Kaiser).

Now, I don't know about you, but fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice? Shame on me.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 8:58 pm
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:00 pm to
If the japs would have just held their water a little longer, the germans would have destroyed the russians, turned around, and finished off the brits.
They were formidable.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22670 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:00 pm to
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You haven't read one damn book about the Battle for France in 1940 have you?




And you have read how many books on this campaign?


And pray tell us about the many books you've read on this campaign




Goddamn do you inhale choad

Eta :
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How many books have I read on the topic? This sort of thing is my chosen profession, so, I have spent some time studying this kind of stuff.


Confirmed a thousand times over
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 9:03 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39239 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:04 pm to
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And yet in the battles listed in the article, the French combat units acquitted themselves well.


And still got their shite rocked....

quote:

You ARE familiar with most of those battles, aren't you?


Sure am. They fought valiantly. They fought hard. they got their shite pushed in.

Like I said, frog, settle down. The French got their shite pushed in. 6 weeks is all it took. Just because some pockets fought hard and some heavy arse b1 tanks were able to withstand tiny 38mm cannons for a short while until the mighty 88s got in position doesn’t mean they were some amazing and galant force that was able to withstand the onslaught of the German army.

The proof is in the pudding.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96252 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:04 pm to
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the germans would have destroyed the russians, turned around, and finished off the brits.


Probably not - Hitler lost WWII at Stalingrad, which was in 1942 but the U.S. being in the war had negligible (if any) effect on the outcome of that battle.

Now, a negotiated settlement might have been available if the U.S. wasn't drawn in by the Japanese in December 1941 - certainly, but he wasn't going to destroy the Russians. Not in 1941 and not ever. When Barbarossa failed to reduce Moscow, offensive operations were suspended as winter set in for 1941. The date? December 6th, 1941.



This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 9:05 pm
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:05 pm to
Is that a moral victory for the defeated.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:07 pm to
I see some folks have been watching Netflix.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:09 pm to
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Is that a moral victory for the defeated.


The French call it a quality loss.
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:09 pm to
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Champagne


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No, idiot,

I'd offer Sonic, but you'd end up asking about books read and forget.
No one knows as much as you on this subject on this site, you happy?
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