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re: How The Sugar Industry Shifted The Blame To Fat
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:41 pm to rocket31
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:41 pm to rocket31
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Do people really sit around and think "well darn, can't eat this pizza because I might develop diabetes"
I used to not, back when I gave no shits. But now, after having struggled with weight loss since 2011, when I eat things like that I think of the damage I'm doing to myself from a weight loss perspective, and that leads me to the long-term implications of eating that food. Most of the time when I decide to eat something like that, I just say "frick it" and do it anyway, but I am making a conscience decision to ignore both the short-term and long-term effects it will have on me.
But that kind of thing is just a small part of the struggle that is learning how to have a healthy relationship with food.
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Have either of you guys had any detailed blood work done? Topline cholesterol numbers are useless.
How detailed are you talking?
eta
here:
BP was 122/70 and pulse was 64, also.
As I lose weight that should become more normal. Lots of heart disease in my family, too..
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:51 pm to Lionnation1993
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Show me someone who has successfully lost weight more than 10-20 pounds and kept it off long term more than a year just by eating healthy and not getting at least 30 minutes of exercsie a day.
Hi.
I played football in college and ballooned once I finished my playing career. Dropped around 60lbs by cutting my diet to 1200 calories and drinking 96oz of water. Have kept 50 of it off over the course of 6 years without a regular exercise routine other than my normal daily activities, and returning to a normal, healthier diet.
Next.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:16 pm to Hulkklogan
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How detailed are you talking?
Way more detailed than that. About the only relevant thing I see on there is that your Triglycerides to HDL ratio is 3.8. That is pretty bad, man (above 2 is too high). Your overall Tris look way too high as well.
Can't tell much from your other cholesterol numbers because there's no measures of density or particle size.
You should also get some inflammation tests (CRP high sensitivity, homocysteine and Lipoprotein PLA 2)and insulin resistance tests (insulin serum level).
These standard cholesterol tests are next-to-useless. It's be like me asking you about how good your car is and you describing only the paint job.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Question, am I going to die?
Big Scrub TX
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:52 pm to lsupride87
Answer: yes
Posted on 9/15/16 at 5:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
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cholesterol numbers are useless
Conventional labs are limited. NMR study gives the data that is needed (particle size)
If you are in Austin, seek out a Lipidologist or a Functional Medicine provider (should be ample in Austin)
Somewhat technical stuff below.....
Particle size matters most. This is measured using an NMR study. Most cholesterol studies only measure total LDL which does not tell the complete story (see example below)
HDL and triglycerides are also very important in deciphering the story
Example:
I would be much more worried about the guy with a normal LDL on standard panel (who may have a predominance of small particles), and low HDL , high triglycerides
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The guy with higher LDL of larger, fluffy size with high HDL and low triglycerides (this can be typical of people on low carb, high fat diets. See last image, pink bars listed as Westman low CHO and note the slight rise in LDL, but improvement across the board in all other metabolic parameters)
Context is needed when looking at these markers. I worry for people who look at 1 item and focus on it. This can be a very short sighted approach. Make sure you have your eye on the correct ball(s)...
Poli Board thread where I dropped a ton of links on cholesterol
LINK
This is figure 9 from the article I linked in the thread. I cannot understate the importance of understanding this (the article also stresses this).
Pink bars are low carb group.
Note the improvements in weight, glucose control (HbA1c), HDL and trigycerides (as pointed out on the chart)
Note the slight rise in LDL cholesterol in the low carb group. This is addressed in the Ron Krauss podcast (in the thread). This reflects a high proportion of fluffy (large) LDL and not the small dense LDL variety (if measured / tested properly). A diet with excessive carbs (default for people on a low fat diet) = higher proportion of small dense LDL.
Small dense LDL = higher risk of athersclerosis
The problem is that a general, well intentioned PCP will see a rise in LDL and recommend a low fat/low cholesterol diet (and round and round we go). LDL "improves" but all of the other metrics get worse. Look around at the results of this. This is the sad, harsh truth...
A cautionary tale regarding hubris, cognitive dissonance, and group think.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 5:53 pm to rocket31
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Do people really sit around and think "well darn, can't eat this pizza because I might develop diabetes" Just lol
I lift/eat to look good naked boyo. Figured most of us are similar
No doubt, everyone takes pride in their appearance. My argument is why not kill 2 birds with one stone (looks/health).
Full disclosure: Based on what you post, I actually eat very similar to you, except less junk
(mainly during carb refeeds post training which are twice a week for me). I also ascribe to a Leangains/IF format. I give you a hard time because I feel it is wrong to represent your daily experience as the "norm" for everyone else. The irony is that sort of personal bias led to many of the current nutritional guidelines missteps that led to bad government policy that was applied to the US population (see the story of Ancel Keys/ saturated fat in the book Big Fat Suprise)
There is no doubt that a LeanGains/IF approach is a very powerful tool for most (but not all). A small portion of people do miserable with any sort of fasting because it is perceived as too big of a stress (so it becomes a real one, disrupting the HPA axis). Macro ratios will not account for this.
I routinely make the case for food quality on here. The hidden/evolving concern is the alteration in the gut microbiome that low quality foods vs high quality foods make. The science on this is early, but evolving rapidly. Below is a link to a good article outlining the importance of gut bacteria and mood. There are other studies that suggests that types of bacteria inhabiting your gut influence the energy harvest from the same amount of calories ingested selecting for leanness vs obesity (once again, macro ratios alone cannot account for this)
LINK
LINK
Lastly, you likely have genetics to thank for some of your success. If you want to know specifics to tweak/validate see the link below (used by Trainer John Wellborn)
Fitness genes - individualized dietary and training recs based of your genetics...
The one thing I have learned about diets, is that there is no one size fits all. There are certainly some broad strokes that can apply to most, but there is always a subset that only figures out what works for them via trial and error. The genetic tools above may make it easier for those folks.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:07 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
I give you a hard time
When you have sound backing in science, I say no hard times are needed. It is hard to change the landscape of 60 yrs of BS.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:24 pm to Junky
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It is hard to change the landscape of 60 yrs of BS.
Very sad indeed.
Things are changing (slowly). The Internet and the ability for folks to read/make informed decisions for themselves are helping the process. It will take another decade or longer for things to trickle up to providers and down to most folks. Sad
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:24 pm to Junky
You geniuses haven't cured cancer in here yet? BS is every article linked here. What makes you think they've finally found the fountain of youth? There are ten new diets published per week. Which one do I trust?
Rhetorical. I'm going with a TD thread.
Rhetorical. I'm going with a TD thread.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:32 pm to nc14
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You geniuses haven't cured cancer in here yet?
So much irony in this statement on multiple levels. The vague answer, is maybe. I will know early part on next week for sure....
Good luck to you bra.
The sick care management of chronic disease system will embrace you when the time comes...
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:36 pm to lsupride87
Your tri/hdl ratio is excellent. It's impossible to know more without getting more information.
It's amazing to me how the entire profession seems to look at what's irrelevant.
It's amazing to me how the entire profession seems to look at what's irrelevant.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's amazing to me how the entire profession seems to look at what's irrelevant.
Some realize this, but they have to swim upstream and issues recommendation (the correct one) against the current standard of care (the wrong one). This puts the dissenting provider in an interesting ethical/professional/legal dilemma in some cases...
See my sig quote below (David Gilmour was very wise...)
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 7:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
I'm still 270 pounds, so I have a lot of weight to lose. The numbers have remained about the same regardless of my diet.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:04 pm to ThinePreparedAni
appreciate the articles and the reply, i do feel oddly anxious for no explainable reason at times - could be poor gut health i suppose (i do eat a lot of junk)
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 9/16/16 at 7:30 am to rocket31
Why are you so proud that you eat shitty food? It is pretty sad that you post this over and over like you have discovered something new. Some people care about looking good naked and being healthy. Some people actually enjoy eating healthy whole foods. Keep bragging about eating Burger King though. We are proud of you.
Posted on 9/16/16 at 10:24 am to Hulkklogan
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I'm still 270 pounds, so I have a lot of weight to lose. The numbers have remained about the same regardless of my diet.
Just continue on the diet and you will lose the weight and your numbers will improve.
Posted on 9/16/16 at 4:01 pm to nc14
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You geniuses haven't cured cancer in here yet
Have you contributed anything to this thread yet?
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