re: How ripped/jacked can the average guy get completely naturally ?

Anybody can put 'size' on. I'm talking about actual muscle and maintaining some semblance of being in shape.

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squat variations including single leg squats, one arm pushups, incline pushups, dips, a bunch of pullup variations. I do throw on a backpack with sand, so it's not strictly bodyweight. Sand is in zip lock bags that weigh about 3 lbs each. When I work up to 50-60 reps in an exercise without stopping, I add another bag of sand.

Depending on how many reps, It takes me from 20 minutes to a little more than an hour, and I work out 4 or 5 days a week. Occasionally up to 6 or 7, but rarely.

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Backpack/sands sounds like a cheaper alternative to the "Bodyweight vest" I have been considering .

I lift light weights & pulled a muscle in my back which has been bothering me for months.

I hear a lot of mixed signals /negatively about bodyweight exercises , but I think I will try the vest /backpack with sand soon.

Less chance for injuries it seems doing bodyweight.

You can get large and ripped by just diet and exercise without roids. Don't let anyone kid you. I competed naturally at 5'9", 187lbs and 5% body fat (skin fold calipers test). It took 2 hrs of steady state cardio per day X 7 days per week plus 6 days of weight training. Diet was almost completely devoid of carbs...just chicken and eggs. I got really vascular to the point of having veins in my mid back, hams, and low abs... Christmas tree in the low back. I would say I have only average genetics, too. Thicker waist (even with six pack abs), not really round full muscle bellies...a good novice or even junior level physique competitor. But the cost of getting to that point...months of sacrifice and an unhealthy obsessiveness to achieve "that look"....it wasn't worth it to me in the end. Sure it felt great to look back at pictures of my condition and say that I really achieved a great physique...but it took too much time and effort on my part to get there and maintain it. There are some genetic freaks out there that would blow my doors off on just Big Macs and a few sets of benches. Bodybuilding is such a genetic thing that really you never know your limits until you truly test them

Man I don't have 3 hours a day 7 days a week to get shredded and jacKed. I'm married with a family. I don't need to be in pro bb shape just like ripped with fairly big muscles so people see me on the street in regular clothes a d can tell I'm jacked. Then at the pool shirtless it's a peacock party. Get me?

If I can get down to 172 I will look like a freak. I have great genetics and have natural definition. I put on muscle pretty fast. Just need to lose the belly fat. I've been doing a mix of heavy weight lifting and HIIT cardiovascular and some core work. 4 to 5 times a week. Pants are looser after 6 weeks but I doubt I've lost more than 4 or 5 lbs Due to lifting heavy.

I just take the stairs instead of elevator at work and I can bench 425, 4.22 forty, and IQ is 228. Not sure if that's good?

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I just take the stairs instead of elevator at work and I can bench 425, 4.22 forty, and IQ is 228. Not sure if that's good?

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Just call me when you're ready to take the training wheels off.

I started really working out 6 weeks ago. I've always been active but I'm an ectomorph (naturally skinny with an extremely fast metabolism), so I've always been pretty thin.

I have a crap diet, but am in the gym 5 days a week doing compound lifts.

In that 6 weeks, I have gained 7 pounds, and apparently gained an inch and a half on my neck (made evident by the new dress shirts I had to buy)...I can also see a noticable difference in the mirror, and people I haven't talked to in a long time have told me they've seen pictures and can tell I've been working my arse off.

The only thing other than going to the gym on a regular basis and a crap diet is the occasional smoothie from Smoothie King. No protein shakes every day, no weird supplements, etc. All it takes is dedication.