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re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa Senators
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:26 am to LSUJML
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:26 am to LSUJML
Pfizer came out with a pill which looks to be as effective as the vaccine.
I'd just wait for the pill.
I'd just wait for the pill.
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Pfizer said earlier this month that an analysis of data from a study showed its antiviral COVID-19 pill cuts the risk of coronavirus hospitalization and death by 89 percent compared to those who received a placebo.
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:27 am to BluegrassBelle
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The most important part has always been that it’s keeping them out of the hospital though.
Keeping who out the hospital? HS kids?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:28 am to idsrdum
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And this is a rather disturbing trend.
Is it though? Or is it people who are now vaccinated were also people who were more cautious pre-vaccine/early vaccine periods and now feel more comfortable being out with that layer of protection? And restrictions are being dropped even in blue states. So that would lend to more people being exposed in schools, the workplace, etc.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:28 am to BluegrassBelle
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The most important part has always been that it’s keeping them out of the hospital though.
Why would healthy kids need it?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:29 am to STEVED00
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Keeping who out the hospital? HS kids?
You were talking about 18+ year olds.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:29 am to Vacherie Saint
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The 4-6 month efficacy of the vaccines are under 50%. Vermont, which is 90+% vaccinated is dealing with its highest case and death spikes since the pandemic started.
This makes sense. Consider Vermont's political leanings. They have the highest vaccination rate in the nation. Their population raced to get shots very early on as the vaccine became available in February-March of this year. Now the overall effectiveness has worn off and Vermont (as well as other NE states) are seeing higher infection numbers.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:30 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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That choice is not only a choice for the unvaccinated, it’s also imposed on anyone within several degrees of separation of the unvaccinated. One can’t realistically divide the populace into those who care about covid and those who don’t and assume they can function in the same society.
You’re getting way too deep guy. Stop talking about the vaccine for a second and ask if there’s other alternatives to stopping the spread of colds and viruses, before a government mandated shot (that doesn’t stop the spread)…. You know, like is it a good idea to pack 25 kids in a classrom 5 days a week, cubicles full of employees, using the same coffee maker and shitter at 8am 5 days a week. Perhaps we should look at our archaic/dinosaur schedules that were pre-technology, and see if we can adjust some things to stop people from getting sick, rather than pumping endless mandated shots into everyone. This is a bio weapon and not a normal virus, so it’s time to question it all right now going forward.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:31 am to BluegrassBelle
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You were talking about 18+ year olds.
Sorry we are worried about keeping 18-30 yr olds out of the hospital? We needed a vaccine to do that?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:31 am to ClientNumber9
Locally we are at about 90% vax rate, and we have had the highest counts lately since the virus was known.
One of my grandkids had it. She basically lost some taste for two days. Never felt ill.
One of my grandkids had it. She basically lost some taste for two days. Never felt ill.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 8:32 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:39 am to STEVED00
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Sorry we are worried about keeping 18-30 yr olds out of the hospital? We needed a vaccine to do that?
Despite the reality that children and teens are at near zero risk from COVID-19, Pfizer and Moderna are attempting to make sure every kid across the world is supplied with and coerced into taking mRNA shots.
To make up for a projected drop in 2022 COVID shot income, the two outfits have zero moral objections to attempting to harvest this potentially massive untapped market.
With kids, it’s all about the money with no liability claims if it turns out to be the cause of future health issues.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 8:42 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:40 am to STEVED00
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Sorry we are worried about keeping 18-30 yr olds out of the hospital? We needed a vaccine to do that?
Its an education system issue.
Education professionals drugged kids from the 70's on to make teachers jobs easier.
Now they're needlessly vaccinating kids because..the same people.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 8:41 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:44 am to BluegrassBelle
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which is what the vaccine is supposed to do).
Well that’s what they are selling to you now. If they had lead with this not as many people would have gotten it.
Seriously if they said your chance of surviving goes from 99% to 99% they wouldn’t be able to make money.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:45 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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We’d all like for vaccines to have 100% efficacy. That’s not the reality. Relying on vaccines with less than 100% efficacy for eradication
Efficacy for eradication? The vaccines have not been tested for transmission prevention efficacy only severe disease prevention efficacy. So that wonderful 95% efficacy was never as great as what the public was led to believe. Now it appears that the vaccines do not prevent severe disease after 4-6 months. Could the upward trend among the vaccinated in deaths and hospitalizations indicate vaccine enhanced disease? There is a study listed in the latest Pfizer briefing document, but it will not be complete until 2 years after the second dose.
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To evaluate the safety, tolerability, immunogenicity, and
efficacy of BNT162b2. An unfavorable imbalance
between the vaccine and control groups in the frequency
of COVID-19 disease, in particular for severe COVID19 disease, may indicate the occurrence of
VAED/VAERD. Surveillance is planned for 2 years
following Dose 2.
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Don't you think the results this study (and others) should be known these studies BEFORE recommending mass vaccination in the young, healthy and or recovered?
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:14 am to ClientNumber9
I disagree a bit. while it makes sense if they were vaxed early, it doesnt explain the level of infection and death being higher than at the apex of the pandemic, which was pre vaccine. If the vaccine was anywhere near as effective as billed, their numbers would be MUCH lower.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:25 pm to Vacherie Saint
You're probably right. I do feel that the vaccine does help in severity of symptoms and transmission rate, though not nearly at the rate the government claims. And mandates are absolutely not the correct solution. As a federal employee, I can tell you my three letter agency has numerous agents and civilian staff that will take this all the way to the bitter end, up to and including termination.
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