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How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa Senators
Posted by STEVED00 on 11/16/21 at 4:44 am157
We are made to believe that Covid vaccine breakthrough cases are extremely rare. We are told this but the testing requirements for vaccinated people are different from those of unvaccinated people in many situations. Let’s examine the recent outbreaks at Cal and with the Ottawa Senators. For the Cal situation, according to the article testing was recommended but not required; however, Cal decided to test and boom 44 Covid positive folks from a team according to the article was 99% vaccinated.
Now on to the Senators, they recently had 10 players and a coach turn up Covid positive according to the article. The article doesn’t mention their vaccination status; however, I found a NPR article saying that all but 4 players in the WHOLE NHL are unvaccinated.
Long Story Short, it seems the only time we EVER hear about breakthrough cases is when it affects a sports team which results in a canceled game. In both cases, there was NOT a small outbreak but a substantial portion of entire team was positive and fully vaccinated.
As the Cal article states, teams ARE NOT REQUIRED to test vaccinated players as frequently. Could this just be a coincidence that. I guess but it would be hard to defend knowing that testing is NOT required to confirm.
But hey according to the MSM and CDC, breakthrough cases are rare and the unvaccinated need to get the vaccine to protect the vaccinated. This has long moved away from hospitalizations. If cases become the standard then THIS WILL NEVER END.
44 Cal Players test Covid Positive (99% Vaccinated)
Ottawa Senators Postpone Games Bc of Covid Outbreak
All but 4 NHL Players Vaccinated
Now on to the Senators, they recently had 10 players and a coach turn up Covid positive according to the article. The article doesn’t mention their vaccination status; however, I found a NPR article saying that all but 4 players in the WHOLE NHL are unvaccinated.
Long Story Short, it seems the only time we EVER hear about breakthrough cases is when it affects a sports team which results in a canceled game. In both cases, there was NOT a small outbreak but a substantial portion of entire team was positive and fully vaccinated.
As the Cal article states, teams ARE NOT REQUIRED to test vaccinated players as frequently. Could this just be a coincidence that. I guess but it would be hard to defend knowing that testing is NOT required to confirm.
But hey according to the MSM and CDC, breakthrough cases are rare and the unvaccinated need to get the vaccine to protect the vaccinated. This has long moved away from hospitalizations. If cases become the standard then THIS WILL NEVER END.
44 Cal Players test Covid Positive (99% Vaccinated)
Ottawa Senators Postpone Games Bc of Covid Outbreak
All but 4 NHL Players Vaccinated
This post was edited on 11/16 at 5:07 am
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by BluegrassBelle on 11/16/21 at 4:48 am to STEVED00
Purely anecdotal, I don’t think they’re extremely rare. Just less common that unvaccinated infections and more likely to be less severe or asymptomatic (which is what the vaccine is supposed to do). We currently have a test to play program in our district where all who participate in sports (vaccinated or not) or extra curricular activities have to test the day before their meeting/game. We’ve had a handful of positives and they’re mostly unvaccinated students. The vaccinated have all been asymptomatic.
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by STEVED00 on 11/16/21 at 4:59 am to BluegrassBelle
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Purely anecdotal, I don’t think they’re extremely rare. Just less common that unvaccinated infections and more likely to be less severe or asymptomatic (which is what the vaccine is supposed to do). We currently have a test to play program in our district where all who participate in sports (vaccinated or not) or extra curricular activities have to test the day before their meeting/game. We’ve had a handful of positives and they’re mostly unvaccinated students. The vaccinated have all been asymptomatic.
The vast majority of Cal players were asymptomatic but here we are. Also this wasn’t just a few. Cal had 44 positives. How many players are on the team? This would seem to cover at least a third.
Is Kentucky a hotspot currently (I assume you’re from Kentucky bc of your name)? If not then I’m not sure if your correlation really plays. Delta is apparently surging in the North East and North West US.
My point is when Aaron Rodgers comes up positive then it’s the biggest story in the sports world. 44 Vaccinated players on ONE TEAM come up positive it is barely mentioned basically only bc it required a game to be postponed. In addition there is NO DISCUSSION on how over a third of a fully vaccinated team tested positive. The Ottawa situation is similar about a third of their fully vaccinated roster popping positive.
This post was edited on 11/16 at 5:05 am
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by Oilfieldbiology on 11/16/21 at 5:15 am to BluegrassBelle
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more likely to be less severe or asymptomatic which is what the vaccine is supposed to do).
We were told early and repeatedly in this pandemic that asymptomatic is just as dangerous and as easily spread as horribly symptomatic and that we needed to get vaccinated to stop the spread. We were also told that the vaccine would prevent you from getting it and transmitting it.
I’m not arguing that the vaccine minimizes hospitalizations and severe illnesses, even deaths, but it is purely disingenuous to claim now, 11+ months after the first vaccinations, that vaccination has always been touted as a way to prevent hospitalizations and severe cases and not a way to prevent cases and prevent the spread.
This post was edited on 11/16 at 5:16 am
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by baybeefeetz on 11/16/21 at 5:19 am to STEVED00
Did the positive players actually have symptoms? That’s what I want to know.
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by tigerinthebueche on 11/16/21 at 5:29 am to baybeefeetz
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Did the positive players actually have symptoms? That’s what I want to know.
Why?
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by STEVED00 on 11/16/21 at 5:29 am to baybeefeetz
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Did the positive players actually have symptoms? That’s what I want to know.
It doesn’t appear that the majority of the Cal players did but they still canceled the game. Not sure about the Senators.
Look I agree it is not a big deal that these young healthy people who have been vaccinated popped up positive; however, the Govt is currently in the process of mandating vaccination bc the unvaccinated are spreading the disease to the immune comprised yet it appears that the virus is spreading just fine in the vaccinated population. The symptoms could’ve been extremely mild like a common cold but they still are spreading with those minor symptoms. In 2019, people with a common cold just went about life as normal. Is it in conceivable that vaccinated people with a common cold are not doing the same or are they running out immediately to get Covid tested.
This post was edited on 11/16 at 5:34 am
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by Cowboyfan89 on 11/16/21 at 5:53 am to BluegrassBelle
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We’ve had a handful of positives and they’re mostly unvaccinated students. The vaccinated have all been asymptomatic.
So were the unvaccinated showing symptoms? Otherwise, why are you making the differentiation? And why the testing of vaccinated individuals as well?
Asymptomatic or symptomatic, if you are going to test people, a positive test should be treated the same. Otherwise, why are they being tested at all?
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by lsupride87 on 11/16/21 at 5:53 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:Because someone being exposed to a virus and then having zero symptoms is the vaccine being 100% effective
Why?
No vaccine ever created can keep a virus from entering ones body. It isn’t a magical force field. That is why testing asymptomatic people has always been a joke, and testing asymptomatic vaccinated individuals an even further joke
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re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by TitleistProV1X on 11/16/21 at 6:02 am to BluegrassBelle
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Purely anecdotal, I don’t think they’re extremely rare. Just less common
Since you’re so confident in this to be the case, how much less common? 1%, 5%, 50%?
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by STEVED00 on 11/16/21 at 6:09 am to lsupride87
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No vaccine ever created can keep a virus from entering ones body. It isn’t a magical force field. That is why testing asymptomatic people has always been a joke, and testing asymptomatic vaccinated individuals an even further joke
Yet here we are. In addition, the US counts those who have recovered from Covid but have never been vaccinated THE SAME AS those who haven’t been infected OR vaccinated.
For whatever reason, we are basing resistance to Covid by VACCINATION ALONE even though STUDY AFTER STUDY shows that NATURAL IMMUNITY is ALSO effective in prevent future illness.
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by DTRooster on 11/16/21 at 6:15 am to lsupride87
quote:since it is known jabbed people carry viral loads as high as pure bloods what exactly makes it even further. Blindness or willful ignorance, maybe?
That is why testing asymptomatic people has always been a joke, and testing asymptomatic vaccinated individuals an even further joke
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by idsrdum on 11/16/21 at 6:16 am to lsupride87
What's a joke is that the clinical trials were not designed to measure for transmission rate at all and then recommended to everyone as a way to prevent transmission.
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by tigeraddict on 11/16/21 at 6:20 am to BluegrassBelle
All depends on when u are “vaccinated” seems that protection is lasting around 6 months and start to tail off, while unvaccinated with natural immunity seem to have longer protection.
The farther out we get from the initial release of the shot the more incidence I will start to see. Won’t be long that you we be classified as unvaccinated if you haven’t had your booster every 6 months.
The shot is just a tool in the bag to mitigate the virus. It’s ideal for those high risk as an option for protection.
But in the end the shot is a delaying tactic until we have a better option that is more like a polio or chicken pox vax.
Eventually this will become an endemic as opposed to a pandemic. And we may find that those who have recovered and didn’t vax and can give antibodies for others is the best means of attack. Building more recovered population
The farther out we get from the initial release of the shot the more incidence I will start to see. Won’t be long that you we be classified as unvaccinated if you haven’t had your booster every 6 months.
The shot is just a tool in the bag to mitigate the virus. It’s ideal for those high risk as an option for protection.
But in the end the shot is a delaying tactic until we have a better option that is more like a polio or chicken pox vax.
Eventually this will become an endemic as opposed to a pandemic. And we may find that those who have recovered and didn’t vax and can give antibodies for others is the best means of attack. Building more recovered population
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by STEVED00 on 11/16/21 at 6:28 am to tigeraddict
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Agree
That appears to be Administration’s plan if you read the tea leaves.
Or you just catch the virus but I get your point.
Bingo yet current Administration doesn’t seem to agree. Wonder why?
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All depends on when u are “vaccinated” seems that protection is lasting around 6 months and start to tail off, while unvaccinated with natural immunity seem to have longer protection.
Agree
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The farther out we get from the initial release of the shot the more incidence I will start to see. Won’t be long that you we be classified as unvaccinated if you haven’t had your booster every 6 months.
That appears to be Administration’s plan if you read the tea leaves.
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But in the end the shot is a delaying tactic until we have a better option that is more like a polio or chicken pox vax.
Or you just catch the virus but I get your point.
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Eventually this will become an endemic as opposed to a pandemic. And we may find that those who have recovered and didn’t vax and can give antibodies for others is the best means of attack. Building more recovered population
Bingo yet current Administration doesn’t seem to agree. Wonder why?
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THIS WILL NEVER END.
Certainly seems there is another variant/breakthrough starting again. Several places are reporting hospitals maxed out. Maine has set another record of hospitalizations. Germany is experiencing a massive outbreak. The vaccine isn’t stopping the spread and should not be mandated, but regardless, it seems this winter may be rough and see another global outbreak.
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This post was edited on 11/16 at 6:46 am
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by Privateer 2007 on 11/16/21 at 6:44 am to Oilfieldbiology
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minimalizes hospitalizations
True.
However, that protection seems to be waning as well.
I'll be honest, I kinda hope my parents get Rona now. Before their protection from serious illness wanes too much.
Sadly, I think everyone will get Rona sooner or later. And, the only really good protection is natural infections.
re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa SenatorsPosted by Blitzed on 11/16/21 at 6:47 am to Oilfieldbiology
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We were told early and repeatedly in this pandemic that asymptomatic is just as dangerous and as easily spread as horribly symptomatic and that we needed to get vaccinated to stop the spread. We were also told that the vaccine would prevent you from getting it and transmitting it.
I’m not arguing that the vaccine minimizes hospitalizations and severe illnesses, even deaths, but it is purely disingenuous to claim now, 11+ months after the first vaccinations, that vaccination has always been touted as a way to prevent hospitalizations and severe cases and not a way to prevent cases and prevent the spread.
Why wouldn’t you argue it? You just admitted they lied to you about the vaccine preventing and stoping the spread. What’s to say they aren’t lying to you about it’s ability to minimize anything?
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