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re: How Prevalent Are Breakthrough Cases? Cal Football Team and Ottawa Senators
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:51 am to wm72
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:51 am to wm72
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However, vaccinated people are only 3 to 4 times less likely to contract the virus at all than are unvaccinated.
Considering the vast majority of those still unvaccinated are the young, I’m not sure this really means anything. This group barely has symptoms and are proven to be poor spreaders as well.
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:53 am to STEVED00
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Why do people always jump to extremes? I am not denying Covid. Vaccines have definitely helped. Now we also have effective treatments (antibody infusions and new Pfizer pill) that can quickly deal with Covid before it becomes an issue.
But are those treatments and the labor associated with them available in capacity for allowing covid to spread without other tools in place? The entire philosophy behind flattening curves is to have some control over capacity for treatment. That hasn’t changed. I don’t perceive prudence as an extreme.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:54 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
Bill Gates:
"We didn't have vaccines that block transmission," said Gates, contradicting previous interviews in which he claimed the shots significantly block transmission. "We got vaccines that help you with your health, but they only slightly reduce the transmission,” he added.
Bill Gates speaks to Rt Hon Jeremy Hunt MP in exclusive Policy Exchange interview
“ We need a new way of doing the vaccines."
Just like that, Gates appears to be wiping his hands clean of his involvement in the worldwide mRNA experiment.
"We didn't have vaccines that block transmission," said Gates, contradicting previous interviews in which he claimed the shots significantly block transmission. "We got vaccines that help you with your health, but they only slightly reduce the transmission,” he added.
Bill Gates speaks to Rt Hon Jeremy Hunt MP in exclusive Policy Exchange interview
“ We need a new way of doing the vaccines."
Just like that, Gates appears to be wiping his hands clean of his involvement in the worldwide mRNA experiment.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 8:03 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:55 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Most don’t claim it is the end all be all
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"This will end, we are not going to be going through this indefinitely," Fauci said. "How quickly we get to the end depends on us, how well we vaccinate, how well we get boosted and how well we do the kinds of things to protect ourselves. So that's my message to the general public."
ABC Chicago
Biden’s statement
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For our country, the choice is simple: get more people vaccinated, or prolong this pandemic and its impact on our country. The virus will not go away by itself, or because we wish it away: we have to act. Vaccination is the single best pathway out of this pandemic.
WH.gov
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:55 am to STEVED00
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We are made to believe that Covid vaccine breakthrough cases are extremely rare
Sure about that? Kept hearing break through hospitalizations are rare though and mostly impacted older people
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:56 am to STEVED00
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Considering the vast majority of those still unvaccinated are the young, I’m not sure this really means anything.
Then I’m not sure you understand exponential spread and subjecting other demographics for the convenience of this one.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:57 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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2. Vaccines help.
Do they?
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At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
And this is a rather disturbing trend.
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Even though vaccinations offers protection to individuals against severe hospitalization and death, the CDC reported an increase from 0.01 to 9% and 0 to 15.1% (between January to May 2021) in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, respectively, amongst the fully vaccinated
LINK
Posted on 11/16/21 at 7:58 am to Bullfrog
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Bill Gates:
"We didn't have vaccines that block transmission," said Gates, contradicting previous interviews in which he claimed the shots significantly block transmission. "We got vaccines that help you with your health, but they only slightly reduce the transmission,” he added.
Yes, efficacy changes over time. This shouldn’t come as a surprise.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:01 am to LSUJML
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"This will end, we are not going to be going through this indefinitely," Fauci said. "How quickly we get to the end depends on us, how well we vaccinate, how well we get boosted and how well we do the kinds of things to protect ourselves. So that's my message to the general public."
Nowhere do I see “vaccines squash covid immediately and completely.”
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For our country, the choice is simple: get more people vaccinated, or prolong this pandemic and its impact on our country. The virus will not go away by itself, or because we wish it away: we have to act. Vaccination is the single best pathway out of this pandemic.
What would you propose as the better strategy?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:03 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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What would you propose as the better strategy?
Mass vaccination is not a strategy that's working.
Probably because it was billed to the public as something it wasnt
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:03 am to Bullfrog
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Bill Gates:
"We didn't have vaccines that block transmission," said Gates, contradicting previous interviews in which he claimed the shots significantly block transmission. "
Exactly how it was sold to the public.
They lied. I don't think that was a mistake.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:07 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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What would you propose as the better strategy?
Freedom of choice, herd immunity. There’s a vaccine, if you want it, get it. If not, catch the bio weapon and see if you live
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Just simply use social distancing and just GTFO of dodge for a bit until this passes.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:09 am to idsrdum
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At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
There is a myriad of factors not considered here: population density, lifestyle/household/workplace trends, to name a few.
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Even though vaccinations offers protection to individuals against severe hospitalization and death, the CDC reported an increase from 0.01 to 9% and 0 to 15.1% (between January to May 2021) in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, respectively, amongst the fully vaccinated
Disturbing indeed. We’d all like for vaccines to have 100% efficacy. That’s not the reality. Relying on vaccines with less than 100% efficacy for eradication, when so many vehemently oppose, only works to minimize result.
Again, vaccines are the best tool available now. But, I don’t see how one could disagree that result would be furthered with conjunction of other protections.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:10 am to Blitzed
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Why wouldn’t you argue it? You just admitted they lied to you about the vaccine preventing and stoping the spread. What’s to say they aren’t lying to you about it’s ability to minimize anything?
Because the % of people hospitalized that have been vaccinated are much lower than the % of unvaccinated.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:12 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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But are those treatments and the labor associated with them available in capacity for allowing covid to spread without other tools in place? The entire philosophy behind flattening curves is to have some control over capacity for treatment. That hasn’t changed. I don’t perceive prudence as an extreme.
So we are back to 2 weeks to stop the spread again?
Let’s also not forget a big part of the hospitalizations issue is that hospitals are woefully understaffed which was an issue pre Covid but has gotten much worse AND WILL GET EVEN WORSE WITH THE VACCINE MANDATE!
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 8:17 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:13 am to Rhino5
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Freedom of choice, herd immunity. There’s a vaccine, if you want it, get it. If not, catch the bio weapon and see if you live
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Just simply use social distancing and just GTFO of dodge for a bit until this passes.
That choice is not only a choice for the unvaccinated, it’s also imposed on anyone within several degrees of separation of the unvaccinated. One can’t realistically divide the populace into those who care about covid and those who don’t and assume they can function in the same society.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:16 am to STEVED00
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So we are back to 2 weeks to stop the spread again?
Logically, this is the lag between a large scale implementation of any protection and the measurable data of its impact. This will remain the case.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:19 am to Rhino5
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Just simply use social distancing and just GTFO of dodge for a bit until this passes.
The political power from the attempts to control the virus are way too much to give up. The was another 911, with the gubmint taking advantage of the disease to grab power.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:21 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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What would you propose as the better strategy?
Let people make their own choices & live life with no restrictions
At no point have any hospitals been overrun
We now have antibody infusions & other treatments for the virus
We go from everybody must be vaccinated to cases are going up, the goal posts keep moving & it will be everyone must have boosters next
It’s a virus, it isn’t going away & the goal posts will continue to move
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:25 am to STEVED00
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The vast majority of Cal players were asymptomatic but here we are. Also this wasn’t just a few. Cal had 44 positives. How many players are on the team? This would seem to cover at least a third.
Like I said, our teams have all been testing (football is still in season, basketball has started etc). Was just discussing what we’ve seen on the HS level in a similar sport.
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Is Kentucky a hotspot currently (I assume you’re from Kentucky bc of your name)? If not then I’m not sure if your correlation really plays. Delta is apparently surging in the North East and North West US.
Our district/county is in the Red. Cases have started to plateau here (as a state) and we’re not as hot as we were a couple of weeks ago but still on the higher end.
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My point is when Aaron Rodgers comes up positive then it’s the biggest story in the sports world. 44 Vaccinated players on ONE TEAM come up positive it is barely mentioned basically only bc it required a game to be postponed. In addition there is NO DISCUSSION on how over a third of a fully vaccinated team tested positive. The Ottawa situation is similar about a third of their fully vaccinated roster popping positive.
I imagine it has to do with their close contact. I know when we’ve done contact tracing for kids with sports, there’s a much smaller margin for what requires a quarantine due to regular sports contact versus sitting in a classroom with a positive case.
The most important part has always been that it’s keeping them out of the hospital though.
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