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re: How much practice would it take for one to shoot well enough to hit a mass

Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:15 pm to
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:15 pm to
Some people are naturally good at shooting, and it only takes a couple of minutes of practice. Some people can practice for a couple of months and get better. Some people are functional retards and will never figure it out.

Either way, muscle memory and a calm head are required to shoot someone in an extremely high stress situation like that. IIRC, cops miss 80% of their shots when they do shoot
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:15 pm to
10' away you just point and shoot. Best to have used your weapon enough to not be afraid of it, the muzzle flash, etc, but it doesn't take Annie Oakley to hit a guy a few rows away.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:19 pm to
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f the choice is risking death or severe injury by confronting the shooter OR running out / escaping the theater so that you can return home safe to your family, which would you choose?


Both. I would first find a safe spot and then fire at the shooter.

All of this is irrelevant if you can't carry a gun in the theater though.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:20 pm to
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Some people are naturally good at shooting, and it only takes a couple of minutes of practice.


My sister is like this. The first time I ever saw her fire a weapon she was hitting clay targets slung from a skeet shooter.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:23 pm to
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It's just natural instinct to seek cover
That's fight or flight. 99% of people will instantaneously run away and hide, but some will become super aggressive and run towards the situation and fight.

I have no idea what makes people like that, but there isn't anything you can do to switch between them
Posted by Adam4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:32 pm to
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I would argue that consistently shooting well, particularly under stress, takes much more practice than basketball.


times a lot


Especially in the dark and randomness of it.
Posted by Bushmaster
19th Hole
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:34 pm to
It's all about being prepared and training.

We were in a situation once overseas training supposed friendly forces to fight against their enemy. One morning 14 of us were in a morning meeting and this "friendly" mooj stands up and was about to open fire on us. He got off one burst before he was filled with holes.

Always be prepared in this day and time that we live in. Always.
Posted by Herman Frisco
Bon Secour
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:36 pm to
Go to a reputable gun shop and talk to the poeple who work there. Tell them that you are wanting to take up pistol shooting and need help. Usually that's all it takes. For the most part you will not find more helpful poeple.
22 rounds cost 8-10 cents a peace. Center fire cost 20-50 cents.
Start with a 22. Much easer to control. Most gun ranges rent guns. Plan on taking lessons. NRA teaches both shooting and concealed carry.
The only way to get good is to burn powder. Good luck.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:38 pm to
What I've been taught is that you have to have enough muscle memory to where you only have to think about everything other than drawing and shooting
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:43 pm to
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Especially in the dark


I always shoot better on night quals and combat courses. Always shoot better on the combat courses than the qual shoots too. Mainly because I am reacting rather than thinking about the shots. There are a couple of guys at shooting competitions I see regularly that would have zero problems shooting in such situations. This is the only video I have of one of those
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 6:44 am
Posted by HeadCoach
Shady's Parking Lot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:12 pm to
In reality, lets say 10 people are armed in theatre. 2-3 of them, if we are lucky, are well trained and possibly helpful. 5, at least, are average and best, and if they pull would probably miss, and possibly hit bye-stander. The bottom 2-3 are almost certainly shooting innocent people and/or themselves. In the dark, no one really knows who original shooter was, so bullets just keep flying until everyone is all but empty. End result, crossfire of bullets probably resulting in multiple more deaths than one shooter, compared to 6-7.
Posted by kilo1234
Member since May 2014
1431 posts
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:18 pm to
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It's a lot harder than it looks. You immediately go into a total panic mode where it is very difficult to function with fine motor skills.


No.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:20 pm to
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In reality
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possibly
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probably
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possibly
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almost certainly
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no one really knows
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End result
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probably


You seem rather unsure of your hypothetical reality.

Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:26 pm to
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I would be afraid of firing in a crowd.

Definitely a valid concern that all CCL holders face
Posted by HeadCoach
Shady's Parking Lot
Member since Mar 2009
5659 posts
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:27 pm to
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You seem rather unsure of your hypothetical reality.


It's called a hypothetical situation. No one in the US, to my knowledge, has actually been in the scenario we are discussing. Is there any actual part of my post you think unlikely, or is this just classic "gammer nazi cause you got nothing better"?
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:29 pm to
An hour at most
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:31 pm to
Grammar Nazi? Those are quotes from your post in order. The point is a stawman argument is not reality. Your grammar was great. Your point, not so much.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:32 pm to
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I shot a guy arm robbing someone.


Posted by brass2mouth
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:36 pm to
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It's a lot harder than it looks. You immediately go into a total panic mode where it is very difficult to function with fine motor skills.


Not trying to toot my own horn or anything but that's the exact opposite that happens to somebody that's well trained. You're trained to react a certain way and when shite pops off you do exactly what you're trained to do. Assuming you're well trained, there's no thoughts, you just execute. It's simple as that.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
21857 posts
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:39 pm to
Lafayette - the whole shooting was probably over in less than ten seconds. Shooter probably pulled out a pistol and fired 10-15 shots rapidly. How long would it take most people to realize what was going on, identity the shooter, then react accordingly?
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