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re: How many battles did the US lose in the Vietnam War?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:17 am to MississippiTiger
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:17 am to MississippiTiger
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All I know is that Mel Gibson kicked the shite out of them.
Kicked the shite out of the British in the 13th century, the British again in the 18th century and the NVA in the 20th.
Dude’s a badass.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:35 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Kicked the shite out of the British in the 13th century, the British again in the 18th century and the NVA in the 20th.
No mention of the Turks in the early 20th?
Interdasting.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:53 am to Ace Midnight
I take it you’re talking about Gallipoli? Never even heard of that movie.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:01 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Never even heard of that movie.
Mel and his boys were ANZACS in that film. I don't want to ruin the movie for you (because it is a FANTASTIC anti-war film), but - it didn't go well for them.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:56 am to Ace Midnight
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but - it didn't go well for them.
Haha I know how Gallipoli went for the ANZACs.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:14 am to Ace Midnight
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Mel and his boys were ANZACS in that film. I don't want to ruin the movie for you (because it is a FANTASTIC anti-war film), but - it didn't go well for them.
Probably the most historically accurate war movie Mel ever made. With the possible exception of Mad Max, but we'll have to see what happens in the future.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:19 am to The Boat
American victories in the Revolutionary war
Yorktown
King's Mountain S.C
Cowpens S.C (See the movie The Patriot)
Trenton
Princeton
Saratoga ( Gates out toughed Burgoyne)
Concord/Lexington
Also you could say the American occupation of Dorchester Heights was probably the most pivotal incident of the war. Washington sent Arnold to take Ticonderoga in Vermont and then tasked Henry Knox with transporting the cannons to Boston. He sets them up above Boston Harbor where he could rain fire down on the city and the British Fleet. Howe, the British commander, saw his position as untenable and withdrew from the city and New England on St. Patrick's Day 1776
Yorktown
King's Mountain S.C
Cowpens S.C (See the movie The Patriot)
Trenton
Princeton
Saratoga ( Gates out toughed Burgoyne)
Concord/Lexington
Also you could say the American occupation of Dorchester Heights was probably the most pivotal incident of the war. Washington sent Arnold to take Ticonderoga in Vermont and then tasked Henry Knox with transporting the cannons to Boston. He sets them up above Boston Harbor where he could rain fire down on the city and the British Fleet. Howe, the British commander, saw his position as untenable and withdrew from the city and New England on St. Patrick's Day 1776
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:37 am to TigerFanInSouthland
One Vietnam combat veteran told me that if it wasn't for the jacked up R.O.E. that we could have "bombed Vietnam until it was a mudhole."
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:53 am to Paluka
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bombed Vietnam until it was a mudhole."
To be fair, Nam was already a mudhole before we got there.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 12:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Viet Nam wasn't a war, it was one of many fronts in the cold war (Malaysia, Korea, Angola, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, etc)
We won the Cold War, Eastern Europe was liberated and some of the Soviet Republics are free; it doesn't matter how you did in every front.
We won the Cold War, Eastern Europe was liberated and some of the Soviet Republics are free; it doesn't matter how you did in every front.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 12:05 pm to Darth_Vader
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The Viet Cong was wiped out as effective combat force during the Tet Offensive.
Based upon the news coverage of the TET Offensive, American public opinion was that we were losing but in fact as Darth pointed out we ended up crushing them.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 12:07 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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Viet Nam wasn't a war
Well that’s just patently false.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:06 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I’m not sure that would have been possible even if it was our war aim. The Soviets and China would’ve still poured munitions into the north and I think the Chinese may have done what they did at Chosin in Korea and come to the aid in military strength for the north.
COL Harry Summers wrote an excellent (albeit dry for you non-practitioners) analysis of the entire thing called, On Strategy: A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War (1982). I read it while in ROTC.
Sure hindsight makes everyone a genius, but the answer to this war was quite simple: U.S. forces secure the border and block routes in from Cambodia and the HCM trail. Let the ARVN handle the VC cohorts with U.S. QRF backup and air support.
Far fewer day-to-day U.S. casualties - more like the occupation period of German and Japan after WWII - and an occasional pitched battle near the border that we would have overwhelmingly won.
South Vietnam's problem was that the ARVN was good enough to fight the VC, but not the entire north.
Doing what we usually do - we tried to take over and be everywhere, all the time, which wasn't possible. Frederick the Great told us that almost 300 years ago.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:29 pm to Ace Midnight
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Sure hindsight makes everyone a genius, but the answer to this war was quite simple: U.S. forces secure the border and block routes in from Cambodia and the HCM trail. Let the ARVN handle the VC cohorts with U.S. QRF backup and air support
I think that would've been a much better way of prosecuting the war.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:54 pm to SheManShe
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The US got their asses kicked. Plain and simple. They were unprepared and unmotivated. Should have never been there.
Not quite. In fact, we know now that the Tet Offensive was a desperate move on the part of a teetering movement that was severely weakened. US Forces pushed it back and, frankly, beat enemy arse. The US won that campaign by a large margin. The enemy was losing.
Television coverage and the length of the war, combined with the question of "Is it worth it?," are what ended the Vietnam War.
It is certainly fair to question whether we should have been there in the first place, but to say that "The US got their asses kicked" is flat out factually inacccurate.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:58 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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Viet Nam wasn't a war, it was one of many fronts in the cold war (Malaysia, Korea, Angola, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, etc)
We won the Cold War, Eastern Europe was liberated and some of the Soviet Republics are free; it doesn't matter how you did in every front.
Kudos my friend.
You have lifted the Veil of Maya.
....Or something like that.
Appreciate a man with a long view.
Now Western Civilization's struggle against Islamism? Still a thing since the 7th century or so. No signs of slowing down.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:14 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
The U.S. only lost one battle in the Vietnam War but it was the Battle of Propaganda which ultimately was the most important one. The main problem was we had politicians trying to make strategic decisions instead of trained military experts. It resulted in Vietnam becoming the clusterfrick that it did.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:16 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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Our entire two decade involvement in that part of the world was an unmitigated disaester. Does it really matter what number of battles we won and lost on paper?
Funny how we just moved on from that area to the middle east and look how we have fricked things up. Before most flame, we were supplying many previous allies with guns and weapons only to then have them later turn out to be the enemy. Saddam as bad as he was, did at least keep things more stabilized than post Saddam. Although SouthPark did capitalize on his death though.
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