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How does a small private college compare to a large state university?

Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Brian12
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:31 pm
This is probably the wrong place to ask, but has anyone attended both a small private college and a large university? I've been looking at quite a few schools recently and I was surprised at how some of the smaller colleges operate. Things like grade forgiveness/pass fail during the first year and lectures being recorded and posted online for students to access later.

Having attended a larger university a few years back nearly all of my classes had three to five hundred people in them. I couldn't see the board in any of them and the university did not record and put them online for us to study later. It seems like smaller colleges really care about their students and do everything they can to help them succeed. This was not my experience at a larger school.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:32 pm to
It entirely depends on what you want and what you're willing to put into it.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:33 pm to
Why would the lecture need to be recorded when every powerpoint slide that had all the test material was posted on Blackboard?
Posted by gazelles
Member since Apr 2011
1326 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:33 pm to
Brian, your brain problem seems to be "presenting" itself again, seek help immediately
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17854 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:41 pm to
After you get past sophomore year, depending on your major, class sizes probably won't be more than 30-50 people.

In Coastal Environmental Science at LSU, my classes class are 10-25 people. Though that may be a bad reference since there are so few people in the School of Coast and Environment.

I've heard business classes are massive.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12809 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:57 pm to
I've been to both and preferred state school. Like someone else said, it's entirely dependent on your personality and what type of experience you're looking for.

However, I'll also add that I couldn't imagine going to a state school and not going greek. That's the easiest way to meet people and forge lifelong connections.

If you're not great at meeting people and/or want a more intimate educational experience, small private is the way to go because it's almost like high school.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:03 pm to
Depends on your personality.

Some prefer the type of campus where you know everyone
Some prefer the type where you might not know the name of everyone in your class

Posted by Big Wooly Mammoth
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:12 pm to
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Having attended a larger university a few years back nearly all of my classes had three to five hundred people in them


This has to be the biggest lie people tell about big public universities. Sure I had a couple of 200+ person classes, but past freshman year its been mostly 30-40 person classes with a few that get up to 60-70.

This is at Alabama, which has 30k+ undergrads.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:13 pm to
DP
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 1:14 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:13 pm to
The ROI is not there for a private college, IMO. Samford university is twice the tuition cost of state schools, for example.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:15 pm to
the issues you raised in the OP are significant.

I can't comprehend how anyone stays in school at a huge school with massive classes.
I know of some schools that have giant screens like a rock concert.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

I've heard business classes are massive.


Not the hard ones
Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
10369 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

It seems like smaller colleges really care about their students and do everything they can to help them succeed. This was not my experience at a larger school.


In general, yes, you do get more attention and personalized help at a smaller school. However, colleges/universities are all about what you want to get out of them.

If you want to go to graduate school (esp. a PhD program), a smaller school can be a huge benefit. You'll get more personalized letters of recommendation (which is just about everything in PhD admissions), opportunities for undergrad research, and likely have more chances for interdisciplinary work.

If you want to make contacts in the business world and are extroverted, a large university might be a better option. You'll be able to network with a wide range of people.

Few people realize this, but the diversity of higher education institutions in the US is one of our most important strengths. No other country in the world has private liberal arts colleges, public research universities, and various other schools at the level of quality that we do.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61610 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:28 pm to
I did both. Texas A&M and Austin College (which is nowhere near Austin )

At a big state university oftentimes you are just a number and it can be incredibly difficult to speak to a teacher. If you are struggling in one of those bigger weed you out classes you might be fricked if the teacher has an a-hole TA that wont give you the help or access you need. However, if you like always seeing new people and not having to worry about everyone knowing your shite its pretty great. There will always be something going on regardless of if you are in bumfrick nowhere.

At a small private school you can damn near get as much time w/a prof as you could ever want. It is much easier to work with them and your schedule b/c they see you on a day to day basis and are far more likely to know your name. Of course, that also leaves you far less wiggle room to frick around b/c they will know if you are the class frick up. Sometimes its pretty cool that you basically have an idea of who most everyone is on campus but then it can also suck when you everyone on campus knows you.


the post above by MikeyFL pretty much nails it IMO
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 1:30 pm
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20650 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:32 pm to
I went to a small school to try and play ball before I realized I wasn't good enough and went to UGA so I have seen both worlds. The quality of the small school obviously matters. I went to a pretty decent school that was in the middle of nowhere, had a pretty good nightlife. It would have been fine going there and I would undoubtedly have graduated with a higher gpa and a tigger community.

But, for me it sucked.

Everything was so predictable. Everyone either went to athens or Atlanta on the weekends. There was no soul to the place.
Posted by zmanthetigerfan
Prairieville, LA
Member since Oct 2015
889 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:38 pm to
Girlfriend went to LSU before transferring to Our Lady of the Lake. The administration there is constantly fricking her stuff up and never has records right or financial info correct. She says she'd love it if it wasn't run by dumbasess.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
20728 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:42 pm to
Ive worked at both.

I went to two different SEC universities - Mississippi State for undergrad and LSU for both graduate degrees.

I worked at both of those universities, and now I am at a small private liberal arts college.

For the undergraduate student, I fully believe that the small private college has a lot of advantages. First name basis with faculty, smaller classes, more resources to help struggling students. When I attend graduation, I genuinely know about most of the graduating seniors.

What a lot of people don't know about small private colleges is that you shouldn't get turned off by sticker shock. Many times, there are more scholarships available. For example, a student with a 26 ACT could pay roughly the same out of pocket at many smaller colleges vs. large state universities. I also think smaller colleges do a better job at getting you out (higher graduation rates, less time).

The disadvantages of the smaller colleges are mainly lack of majors (especially STEM), and quite frankly the small atmosphere isn't for everyone. Some people like to hide in a class of 200 and hate the thought of being in a class with only 8-10 people.

As far as grade forgiveness, getting to know your professors more helps with that. I have deadlines, but I also understand that life happens. One of the students I advise got way behind this semester in a class - the professor sat down with him and worked out a plan to get everything in - with no penalty. Thats more likely to happen at a small college.

I like to tell those looking at colleges to attend to try to ignore the three S's. Size, Sizzle and Sports. Those three things are very hard to ignore - but they have very little to do with the academic experience.
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
17211 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

What a lot of people don't know about small private colleges is that you shouldn't get turned off by sticker shock. Many times, there are more scholarships available. For example, a student with a 26 ACT could pay roughly the same out of pocket at many smaller colleges vs. large state universities


This is true. I was shocked at how much money was available strictly based on ACT at Baylor. With the other scholarships and the award for over a 30 ACT, it made it easily affordable for my kid to go there. She visited a mix of State U's and privates (at least 10 or 12)with Baylor being about the 6th visit. She decided that day that we could stop visiting that was where she wanted to go but we did all the trips and we were impressed with a few others. LSU was too big and Tulane was disappointing and unimpressive( didn't make you feel welcome at all).
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118271 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:55 pm to
Loyola FTW
Posted by Brian12
Member since Apr 2015
392 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:55 pm to
I'm not really worried about grade forgiveness. Just large classes.

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grade forgiveness
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