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re: How do you feel about the current state of the USA?
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:43 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:43 pm to Tiger Ryno
We have a country with a high ceiling -- whether it's in terms of healthcare, education, wealth acquisition, or whatever -- the possibilities are limitless at the top of the curve. The thing is that most people aren't at the top of the curve. Very few are even at the top of the middle of the curve.
For the average person, life is actually better in other countries RIGHT NOW. In fact, I would contend that Europe has achieved the highest quality of life for the highest number of people in human history.
This is certainly an unpopular point of view. But that doesn't make it wrong. ON AVERAGE, the United States isn't the "best" at anything other than military. That's an objective fact, folks. Downvote away.
For the average person, life is actually better in other countries RIGHT NOW. In fact, I would contend that Europe has achieved the highest quality of life for the highest number of people in human history.
This is certainly an unpopular point of view. But that doesn't make it wrong. ON AVERAGE, the United States isn't the "best" at anything other than military. That's an objective fact, folks. Downvote away.
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:45 pm to Walt OReilly
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The good ole days are long gone
If I could go back to the late 80's / early 90's, I would in a heartbeat.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Ryno
My SO is a first generation immigrant. She and her family came here 15 years ago with nothing. Now she has a master's degree and makes six figures. This is still the land of freedom and opportunity.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:47 pm to TxTiger82
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For the average person, life is actually better in other countries RIGHT NOW.
And your experience with life outside of the US is what exactly?
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In fact, I would contend that Europe has achieved the highest quality of life for the highest number of people in human history.
And you would be wrong.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:50 pm to RabidTiger
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My SO is a first generation immigrant. She and her family came here 15 years ago with nothing. Now she has a master's degree and makes six figures. This is still the land of freedom and opportunity.
Love shite like this! My grandparents escaped the socialist hellscape that is Cuba... My grandfather now owns his own company, my mom ended up becoming a PT and I have a masters plus an additional certification and am at the top of my field. Capitalism is what YOU make, and I think that's fricking beautiful
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:51 pm to Centinel
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And your experience with life outside of the US is what exactly?
Lived in Austria for two years. Healthcare, transportation, water and air quality, leisure time -- all much better than in the U.S. for the average person. Rich people have it better in the U.S. Average people have it better in Europe.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:52 pm to Centinel
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And you would be wrong.
Nope.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:52 pm to Tiger Ryno
The country went to shite when the poors started seeing cool stuff rich people do. Pre social media, vacationing on the Amalfi Coast was for the top 5% incomes earners and only these people knew abt this place. Now it’s starting to look like a Carnival Crusie stop in Cancun. Thanks Instagram.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:53 pm to Tiger Ryno
If social media weren’t free, this country would, at the very leas, APPEAR to be much more stable
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:54 pm to Tiger Ryno
Too many pussies worried about their feelings.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:55 pm to TxTiger82
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ON AVERAGE, the United States isn't the "best" at anything other than military.
List the categories you're referring to when you say this
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:55 pm to Pettifogger
Already did in a previous post. Also note that my claim has been qualified from the beginning: Rich people have it better in the U.S. than anywhere else.
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:57 pm to TxTiger82
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Lived in Austria for two years.
Ok. Let us begin.
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Healthcare
Did you actually use the public healthcare there in Austria?
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transportation
No better than any similar densely populated urban area in the US. Yes, I've used the Austrian transportation network quite a bit. Regional rail, streetcar, airline, and interstate-equivalent road network. I will give you that their road system is superior to ours. Same with Germany.
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water and air quality
Most of the US has better. Again, densely populated areas will be similar.
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leisure time
Most of our poor have plenty of leisure time as well. Which is why this as a metric is stupid.
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all much better than in the U.S. for the average person.
Nope. Try again. In fact, first I need you to define specifically what "average" entails. Oh, by the way, you might not want to start with earnings. That will kind of blow your theory out of the water pretty fast. Unless you're from Luxembourg I guess.
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:59 pm to BrohemAlem11
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Love shite like this!
Yeah, even her dad who was in his 50's when they came here and speaks very little English was able to become a trucker with his own rig and make good money.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:00 pm to Centinel
I dunno man. Besides healthcare which I did not use when I was there, I was really impressed by all these things when i visited.
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:01 pm to Kentucker
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doors
racist
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:03 pm to ellishughtiger
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I dunno man. Besides healthcare which I did not use when I was there, I was really impressed by all these things when i visited.
You also saw all the pretty tourist facade. Don't get me wrong, I loved living in Europe for almost four years. Got to travel all over.
But Europe has nothing on the US except for history. And be thankful you didn't use the healthcare. It sucks...big time. And hell that was Germany. I can only imagine what it's like in other countries. Even your average medicaid recipient gets cadillac care compared to what is given to your average citizen in Germany. I honestly thought my soldiers were just bitching to me until I A) went and visited some in the hospital and then B) had to go to the hospital myself.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:05 pm to TxTiger82
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Lived in Austria for two years. Healthcare, transportation, water and air quality, leisure time -- all much better than in the U.S. for the average person. Rich people have it better in the U.S. Average people have it better in Europe.
I love Austria, but this is so relative and pretty limited in scope.
You lived in Austria and you're basically now claiming that a clean environment, rail and healthcare are the determinative factors. Of course, if you're middle class and you want to work in any number of sectors that don't exist in Austria in a meaningful way, you're SOL. If you want to live in/around a major city and own property of any considerable size and own a vehicle or more, you're SOL. Your assumption rests on some pretty limited value choices by the hypothetical people in question.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:06 pm to Tiger Ryno
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How do you feel about the current state of the USA?
It's too big. Need to be broken up in to 2 separate countries.
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:07 pm to Tiger Ryno
We are living in the greatest period of human history.
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 1:07 pm
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