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re: How do Creationists reconcile discoveries that date back hundreds of millions of years
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:05 am to LSURep864
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:05 am to LSURep864
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For you, there is no such thing as good.
Good is what we, as humanity, collectively decide is good for the interest of society.
We didn’t decide murder is bad because of god. We decided murder was bad because if I killed you for no reason, what would stop someone else from killing me for no reason. There would be no trust.
Goodness doesn’t derive from god, it derives from what is most useful for us.
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You have no basis to say, it's objectively better to be good to other humans. When you remove an objective source, IE God.
I just did that very thing. It is better to be good to other humans out of SELF PRESERVATION. God has absolutely zero impact on that.
I don’t want my food stolen so I shouldn’t steal food. I don’t want to be murdered so I shouldn’t murder.
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Nihilistic universal death of everything and everyone. In a trillion years nothing will matter, so therefore currently nothing matters. For you Hitler and Mother Teresa can only be logical equivalents ultimately. A meaningless meatbag with different ideas on how to treat other meaningless meatbags.
I’m sorry that the fact that we don’t matter freaks you the frick out. But we don’t matter. We live, we die, the world moves on.
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Therefore when you say God cannot exist, because a good God would not let X tragedy happen. You are speaking nonsense.
or I’m making fun of you religious freaks who think god is benevolent and listens to prayers while at the same time starves children to death. quote:
Yet, you are condemning God as immoral to your standard because xyz happens (rape, cancer, etc). Because you find him immoral you write him off as nonexistent, because you think a Good God wouldn't let those things happen.
y’all are the ones who think god is good. Yet god let’s bad things happen so how is he good? quote:
But by confessing you don't think a Good God would let these things happen. You are implicitly confessing that a standard of Good exists, that is objective, that you are measuring God against. All the while not having a single epistemological nor ontological basis for this objective good. You entire rational argument of God not existing is a nonsensical disaster of logic.
You’re trying way to hard to sound smarter than you are.
And your god still doesn’t exist
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:06 am to CoyoteSong
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Yes it does. Evolution says all felines have a common ancestor. It says all canine’s have a common ancestor. Etc..
Yeah, but it doesn't say they changed over night or immediately from one "kind" to another like you want an example of.
Where does a Neanderthal fit in your beliefs. It wasnt a home sapien, but it could still breed with humans. Was it just one of our kind?
How bout all the rest of these?
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Saying something has a common ancestor isn't saying that there is an immediate change of "kind".
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:06 am to LoneStar23
Imagine believing nothing created everything or fish become philosophers.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:07 am to NATidefan
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Yeah, but it doesn't say they changed over night or immediately from one "kind" to another like you want an example of.
Then that is not science. It is a blind faith.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:08 am to CoyoteSong
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Show me where a mountain lion evolved into a Jaguar. Is that specific enough for you. Evolution says we all evolved from fish. I am not asking you to show me a fish becoming an elephant. Just a change of kind which should be easy but has proven to be very difficult for the evolution believers here.
Top of page 12 moron, even made it relatable for your username.
Now tell me what scientific evidence you have that a god representative in the bible exists and created the Earth.
You want infinite evidence of one of the most well established biological processes that you can go look at your neighbors walking their dogs to see how the process works but seem uninterested in applying that same standard to creationsim....kind of a clear sign of a disingenuous participant.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:08 am to CoyoteSong
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Imagine believing nothing created everything or fish become philosophers.
Fishlosophers.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:08 am to CoyoteSong
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Imagine believing nothing created everything or fish become philosophers.
Imagine thinking some omnipresent being just snapped his fingers and created the world in 6 days 6000 years ago
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:09 am to CoyoteSong
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Imagine believing nothing created everything or fish become philosophers.
You believe in a book written by a bunch of stoned hippies.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:10 am to CoyoteSong
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Then that is not science. It is a blind faith
No. You just don't have a fricking clue what you are talking about. And apparently don't want to try to understand it either.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:12 am to CoyoteSong
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Then that is not science. It is a blind faith.
except for the fact that nowhere does evolution claim and one species can birth another species. You are asking for proof of something that no one is claiming happens. I don't know where you got this idea that this is what Science it saying happens but it doesn't. You are welcome to show us where it does claim that. I'll be more than glad to wait.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:13 am to CoyoteSong
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An antelope becoming an antelope is your answer.
It was actually a comparison between two subfamilies. They had a common ancestor. One subfamily has one extant species, the impala, while the other has 27. That the informal term 'antelope' can describe both subfamilies isn't as meaningful as you seem to think.
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Show me where a mountain lion evolved into a Jaguar.
I can't show you anything, because you are operating in bad-faith. I can show evidence that a mountain lion and a jaguar evolved from a common ancestor and then differentiated due to different environmental pressures but you would deny that. For you, the forms are fixed and immutable, which is the problem. The classification 'mountain lion' is just a classification applied to an extant species. It isn't some immutable classification that has existed since the beginning of time.
I think what you want is evidence that one species of the same clade, given a change in environmental pressures, will take on the morphological characteristics of another species that is already extant, a small example of convergent evolution. The most famous example is carcinization, in which crustacean species take on 'crab-like' morphologies, which has happened several times. But here is the problem. I would show the evidence, and then you would say 'but those are all crabs' despite whatever evidence I would offer. The problem here is definitely you. You'll miss the forest for the trees on purpose to justify your own set of beliefs. It's a very dishonest way of approaching things for which you have no education. But alas.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:20 am to crazy4lsu
I honestly don't know why we even engage these people.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:21 am to beerJeep
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Oh…. Right. He doesn’t exist.
Doesn’t really give me the idea that God or a higher power does not exist. It just shows me that if there is a higher power, they aren’t interfering. This is why I personally believe prayer is futile.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:22 am to NATidefan
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No. You just don't have a fricking clue what you are talking about. And apparently don't want to try to understand it either.
Scientific method is observable and repeatable. If it happened a million years ago then it is neither. That is not science. Evolution is a blind faith.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:24 am to Bronc
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Now tell me what scientific evidence you have that a god representative in the bible exists and created the Earth.
Now tell ME what proof you have that God does not exist and did not create Earth? You have no proof either. I have my proof - its called the Bible. If you want the truth, read the Bible.
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I’m making fun of you religious freaks
You are doing just that. Thats what atheists do because you cannot prove that God does not exist. You make up theories. And they are just that....theories. You shouldnt go around calling people names just because we believe in God and Jesus.
Just remember one thing - What if you're wrong?
As to evolution - its been debunked hundreds of times. Why the mods even allow these threads boggles the mind. Atheists are not going to change the minds of religious people and vice versa.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:24 am to beerJeep
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Good is what we, as humanity, collectively decide is good for the interest of society. We didn’t decide murder is bad because of god. We decided murder was bad because if I killed you for no reason, what would stop someone else from killing me for no reason. There would be no trust. Goodness doesn’t derive from god, it derives from what is most useful for us.
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I just did that very thing. It is better to be good to other humans out of SELF PRESERVATION. God has absolutely zero impact on that. I don’t want my food stolen so I shouldn’t steal food. I don’t want to be murdered so I shouldn’t murder.
No. You did the absolute opposite of it. You said why it was Subjectively better to be good. Your opinion is about as valid a bacteria that existed for 20 seconds 300 million years ago. It’s subjective. It doesn’t matter. You have no objective basis to account for being good. Hitler believed self preservation for Germany meant extermination of six million Human beings. By your standards he was acting Good
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I’m making fun of you religious freaks who think god is benevolent and listens to prayers while at the same time starves children to death.
You have no basis to think there is anything wrong with children starving. You are using something you don’t even think is real(bad) comparing it against something you don’t think is real(good) to condemn something you don’t think is there(God). You are being absurd and incongruent.
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y’all are the ones who think god is good. Yet god let’s bad things happen so how is he good
False. God is the source and standard of Goodness. Anything he allows to come to pass will ultimately be worked out for good. Not good as you understand it in your materialistic, secular humanistic mind. Human suffering is not objectively bad in all circumstances.
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You’re trying way to hard to sound smarter than you are.
Ahh. The ad hominem. A quiet way of admitting you have no logical counter argument.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:24 am to CoyoteSong
You’re whole take to this thread has been to repeat the same 3-4 things over and over again.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:26 am to Dawgirl
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Thats what atheists do because you cannot prove that God does not exist.
It is literally impossible to prove something does not exist.
Prove he exist. 22 hours and change til the 24 hours is up. Will I be alive still? Will your god smite me?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:27 am to CoyoteSong
Evolution is a change in allele frequencies over time. That is it.
You've demonstrated repeatedly that you don't know what the Theory is or how it works.
Quite literally no one makes the claim that it does what you say it does.
You've demonstrated repeatedly that you don't know what the Theory is or how it works.
Quite literally no one makes the claim that it does what you say it does.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:27 am to mindbreaker
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except for the fact that nowhere does evolution claim and one species can birth another species. You are asking for proof of something that no one is claiming happens.
Evolution states we all evolved from fish. Even the fossil records reject this nonsense. Instead of seeing slow steady changes as animals evolves into new kinds instead we see a sudden explosion of animals that come out of no where in the fossils and the fossils stay the same for millions of years. Darwin himself is on record saying the lack of fossil evidence is one of the biggest objections to his crazy theory which is nothing more than a fairy tale. Evolution is made up.
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