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re: How 'Dark' Tankers In Strait Of Hormuz Are Keeping Oil Prices In Check

Posted on 8/24/26 at 10:56 am to
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 10:56 am to
From the linked article

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There is another way to check: Oil can’t move through the strait if it isn’t first put on tankers somewhere in the Persian Gulf. Those figures also don’t line up with the U.S. transit claims.

LSEG puts crude and product loadings inside the Persian Gulf at about 4.4 million barrels a day in July and 1.9 million so far in August.

The data provider says Iraq, which lacks a major bypass route, loaded just 1.1 million barrels a day so far this month, less than a third of prewar levels, while Kuwait loaded 0.5 million, one-fifth of its prewar rate. Kuwaiti officials say they are exporting more, around 1 million barrels a day.

The ultimate check on Washington’s numbers is whether the barrels ultimately surface somewhere. Even if tankers disappear while crossing Hormuz, much of that oil should eventually show up in data on barrels unloaded to buyers or middlemen.

So far, the U.S. government’s claimed volumes aren’t fully showing up in other countries’ import volumes. According to LSEG data, an average of 11.6 million barrels per day of Middle Eastern crude and refined products have been or are scheduled to be discharged in Asia.

That number includes oil exports routed around Hormuz by pipeline, not just barrels escorted through the chokepoint.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 12:01 pm to
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That's why they are called 'Dark' Tankers

They are evading standard tracking

Wouldn't those transponders eventually be turned back on?

You have ships on one side of the strait. One day they aren't there anymore and the trackers can't see them. They eventually show up on the other side of the strait when they turn their transponders back on. At that point it is just putting 2 and 2 together. Unless the tankers just turn their transponders off forever, which I doubt.
Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 12:41 pm to
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Wouldn't those transponders eventually be turned back on?

Faux and cloned transponders could be placed on all kinds of drones and vessels unrelated to shipping.

Good luck associating particular transponders to particular ports, bills of lading, or vessels.


Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 12:56 pm to
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From the linked article



You're not in the Strait. I am not in the Strait.

However, oil prices have in fact moderately stabilized as a result in the uptick of volumes being passed through said Strait coupled with the volumes which are being rerouted via pipeline to western Saudi and the Red Sea.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:06 pm to

So much winning that they’re now begging other world leaders to close the loopholes that have kept Iran afloat and on life support for decades. Think about that: a country with an extraordinarily low standard of living, largely neutered by sanctions and locked out of the global economy for nearly half a century, has the most powerful country in the modern world begging everyone else to stop doing business with it to put an end to the war.

If that isn’t a “scoreboard” moment for the bald eagles, I don’t know what is.

https://apple.news/AnsrW7fQQTROjXzooGVDjxw
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:11 pm to
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Depending on the metrics used, we won in Vietnam and Afghanistan. We killed more of their guys and left their economies in shambles. But we didn’t overthrow the enemy’s government, nor forced them to capitulate and become our allies, like we did to Japan and Germany in WWII. So, congrats on the victory, I guess. We’re all paying for it.


Winning ain't what it used to be.

The real goals with Afghanistan were to find and kill as many of those responsible for 9/11 as possible, which we did, and to kill enough jihadis that they could not pull off another 9/11 style attack here again, which 25 years on, seems to have worked.

Posted by Mung
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:21 pm to
Hell if that was the case, we could’ve left after we got Bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:23 pm to
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Gas prices up 35-40% since this started

Strategic reserves depleted to lowest level in 4 decades to cover some of the estimated 10-15% of global oil supply has been removed from the supply chain

Russia has gained massively, with reported exports growing 25% since the conflict.

$200bn spent militarily, $1.8bn per day


1. It's summer, typical US summer fuel price rise is anywhere from 10% to 25%, so it is disingenuous to claim that all of the fuel price increase is due to the war.

2. The market prices for crude disagree with the contention that the supply has been constricted by 10-15%.

3. Russian crude exports are running well behind 2022 and are presently falling like a rock, They are just below 2023-24 numbers, and have been all year. Worse still for them, Ukraine has seriously impaired their ability to export higher margin refined product, so their net margins are down significantly.

4. The $200B number accounts for all the costs of running the carrier battle groups, pay for sailors and troops, food, water, munitions expended, etc. The catch is that NONE of that goes away except the munitions expenditures if we do nothing. Sailors and soldiers still get paid and fed, carrier battle groups still put to sea etc, etc. Real incremental cost is closer to that of Somali learing centers than it is to $200B. Go and calculate it for yourself.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:26 pm to
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Wouldn't those transponders eventually be turned back on?

You have ships on one side of the strait. One day they aren't there anymore and the trackers can't see them. They eventually show up on the other side of the strait when they turn their transponders back on. At that point it is just putting 2 and 2 together. Unless the tankers just turn their transponders off forever, which I doubt.


Transshipment is a thing. Dark tankers come out, offload into other tankers - a more common practice than you might think for a litany of reasons - and the other tankers carry the crude on to its destination.
Posted by Sams Crow
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:27 pm to
And unfortunately, iran is doing the same w their oil, keeping them afloat.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:36 pm to
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Ever heard of the Persian Empire?

Never say never


Ever heard of the Macedonian Empire or Roman Empire?

Persian empire is dead.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:39 pm to
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Ever heard of the Persian Empire?

Never say never


Ever heard of Barack Obama?

The dem party will rush in to build them back up if they are ever elected again.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:42 pm to


Empires rise and fall

In a world of oil, nobody is done if they have oil to sell
Posted by Cheese Grits
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64549 posts
Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:44 pm to
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The dem party will rush in to build them back up if they are ever elected again.


If you are taking the bait, you are the one behind the 8 ball

It is NOT D vs R as your seem to believe, BOTH pick our pockets, then blame the other side. This is the UNITED states of America and either side that seeks to divide "The People" is not worthy of being here.
Posted by MKP2004
Member since Mar 2026
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 4:38 pm to
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Iran


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has one of the worlds largest militaries

Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 7:48 pm to
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1. It's summer, typical US summer fuel price rise is anywhere from 10% to 25%, so it is disingenuous to claim that all of the fuel price increase is due to the war.

They rarely go up that much in the summer, more like 10% to 15%. And they increased immediately, not over summer. Within 8 weeks, prices had risen from $3 to 4.48. By April 2, they officially crossed $4 after hovering just under $4 for a few weeks. Thats 33% by april. April =\= summer.

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2. The market prices for crude disagree with the contention that the supply has been constricted by 10-15%.

It is theorized that the sharp pricing increase in spring caused demand destruction on some level, which helped stabilize prices.Strategic reserves have been used as a stop gap to cover a big chunk of that supply side shortfall. Here is the math for you with a source.
https://www.iea.org/reports/oil-market-report-may-2026
At the peak of the Hormuz disruptions, direct supply losses from Persian Gulf producers (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, and Iran) exceeded 14 million b/d of shut-in production. The IEA noted that second-quarter global oil supply dropped by 12.8 to 13.6 million b/d compared to pre-conflict baselines, representing a direct 13% to 15% contraction in global oil availability.

In response to the supply shock, the 32 member countries of the International Energy Agency (IEA) unanimously agreed to the largest coordinated stock release in history: 400 million barrels of emergency oil made available to global markets.

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Russian crude exports are running well behind 2022 and are presently falling like a rock, They are just below 2023-24 numbers, and have been all year. Worse still for them, Ukraine has seriously impaired their ability to export higher margin refined product, so their net margins are down significantly.

Rather than benefiting from high export volumes, Russia gained through narrowed price discounts and higher per-barrel realizations. Prior to the Iran conflict, Western sanctions and price caps forced Russian exporters to sell Urals crude at a steep discount—often $20 to $30 below Brent benchmark rates. When Persian Gulf supplies were severed, desperate global buyers pushed the Urals discount down to under $10, earning Russia roughly $1.6 billion per month for every $10 decrease in discount depth. The Russian Finance Ministry projected over 1 trillion rubles ($13.6 billion) in pure windfall revenue directly attributed to the Hormuz price shock.

To stabilize global fuel supplies during the spring peak, the U.S. Treasury and Western partners issued targeted temporary waivers on stranded Russian seaborne oil cargoes. This allowed Russia to clear inventories faster and capture peak market prices ($90–$110+/barrel).

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The $200B number accounts for all the costs of running the carrier battle groups, pay for sailors and troops, food, water, munitions expended, etc. The catch is that NONE of that goes away except the munitions expenditures if we do nothing. Sailors and soldiers still get paid and fed, carrier battle groups still put to sea etc, etc. Real incremental cost is closer to that of Somali learing centers than it is to $200B. Go and calculate it for yourself.

Some truth to this, from an accounting perspective. But I’m betting the number the Somalis stole is closer to zero than $35-45bn, and that’s what we’ve blown on munitions and other operational expenses so far. Oh, and since we are accounting for costs, Iran turned around and caused $50Bn or so in retaliatory damage to our GCC trade partners who are heavily invested in the perpetuation of the American economy. Then took huge chunks of their supply out of the system, as evidenced above

Then you have to factor in the opportunity cost of operating such a large scale effort in such a far flung theater.

Shifting carrier groups, destroyers, and 5th-generation air assets (like F-22s and F-35s) away from the Western Pacific reduces deterrent coverage against Chinese operational movements in the South China Sea and the Taiwan Strait.

Diverting land-based air squadrons (e.g., F-15Es relocated from RAF Lakenheath) and European-stationed air defense batteries weakens theater defense capability against Russian airspace or missile threats along NATO’s eastern edge.



This post was edited on 8/24/26 at 9:48 pm
Posted by The Third Leg
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 7:58 pm to
Iran has the 8th largest military in the world, over 600,000 troops protecting a nation that is shielded and protected by extraordinarily rugged mountain and desert terrain. There is no easy way to siege Iran. If there were, it have been done long ago. There isn’t a military on the planet capable of steamrolling them without complete annihilation and war crime level civilian destruction, like destroying their fragile water supply and forcing a humanitarian crisis.
This post was edited on 8/24/26 at 8:02 pm
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