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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:04 pm to Klark Kent
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:04 pm to Klark Kent
I mean I'd love to think I'd do a barrel roll, whip out my pistol, and put 2 in his skull....but uhhh probably not though
if someone kicks open your classroom door while you're in the middle of teaching social studies on a Tuesday and begins shooting, they're probably fricked unless its Doc Holliday teaching the class.
if someone kicks open your classroom door while you're in the middle of teaching social studies on a Tuesday and begins shooting, they're probably fricked unless its Doc Holliday teaching the class.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:08 pm to BilJ
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90% of this board has no fricking clue how they'd react in yesterday's situation
Agreed. 90% also talk out of their arse with the “let them come take muh guns” when they know damn well they would value the lives of their families and not instigate a shootout with the government on the front lawn
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:09 pm to WicKed WayZ
I have served multiple tours in Call of Duty and even I don't know how I would respond.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:13 pm to Centinel
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It's why the "strict gun control laws work in other countries" argument is complete bullshite.
I’d say the mental health dialogue and argument is bullshite as well. We don’t do anything different than other countries when it comes to mental health either.
So what else we got?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:19 pm to WicKed WayZ
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So what else we got?
A culture that worships notoriety and social media fame. An increasingly large population of children raised in one parent households. A concerted effort by certain groups to profit financially off of pushing as much divide between people in this country as possible. An unwillingness to combat the reasons for inner city violence, or even outright hostility to even bringing it up.
I can keep going. These are all problems either unique to this country, or exist on much, much larger scale than other countries.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:28 pm to Centinel
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A concerted effort by certain groups to profit financially off of pushing as much divide between people in this country as possible. An unwillingness to combat the reasons for inner city violence, or even outright hostility to even bringing it up.
These two are more unique to our country than the orher two you mentioned. I think the other two are commonplace world wide for the most part.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:30 pm to Centinel
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And in this country mass shootings were exceedingly rare, with mass school shootings even rarer, on par with strict gun control countries without the need for the strict gun control laws, with much, much easier access to firearms since this nation was founded.
Then something changed.
If you ignored population growth Technological advances in firearms sure. There weren't 17 gun stores on every corner, Walmart didn't exist, Guns were handed down through families. Take your pick. Harder to obtain my arse if anything they have become easier to obtain. oh yeah we have a few more checks to go through but the majority of the population can walk to a gun store from their house and buy one. This was not the case 40 years ago.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:37 pm to mindbreaker
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If you ignored population growth Technological advances in firearms sure. There weren't 17 gun stores on every corner, Walmart didn't exist
In 1933 I could mail order a fully automatic weapon.
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Guns were handed down through families
So guns weren't bought? Billy Bob just inherited his great-granpappy's musket? Do you even have the least bit of understanding on the history of firearms in this country?
You say this:
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Harder to obtain my arse if anything they have become easier to obtain
Then say this:
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oh yeah we have a few more checks to go through
Not to mention:
1934 NFA
1938 FFA
1968 Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act
1968 GCA
1988 UFA
1990 Gun-Free School Zones Act
1993 Brady Handgun Violence Protection Act
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but the majority of the population can walk to a gun store from their house and buy oneThis was not the case 40 years ago.
You're maintaining the majority of this country has a firearms dealer in walking distance from their house?
You are so completely ignorant on this subject it is laughable.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:40 pm to Tiger1242
The amount of ignorance on this issue is astounding. More guns in a country will almost always equal more shootings. Countries that ban guns basically have no mass shootings. They have just as many crazy people in other countries, the difference is access to firearms. I'm not saying that means we should ban all guns, but if it is our right to own a firearm, then we will have to go above and way way way beyond other countries in finding ways to prevent mass shootings. So sure, addressing issues of mental health and having more good guys with guns may make some difference, however, the guns are and will always be the main problem. Again that doesn't mean we should ban all guns, but that right comes with a high cost.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:44 pm to Centinel
and here we go again going in circles you are ignoring everything that doesn't fit your agenda. and that is where the problems lies. To sit there with a straight face and believe our society was the exact same in 1934 in regards to firearms as it is now is disingenuous.
But by all means continue cherry picking everything i say to make your point. While another mass shooting occurs and you scream MORE GUNS SHOULD DO IT. rinse and repeat.
But by all means continue cherry picking everything i say to make your point. While another mass shooting occurs and you scream MORE GUNS SHOULD DO IT. rinse and repeat.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:47 pm to mindbreaker
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To sit there with a straight face and believe our society was the exact same in 1934 in regards to firearms as it is now is disingenuous.
You are correct. Prior to 1934 you could mail order all kinds of firearms, to including BARs, Thompson .45ACP submachine guns, and all kinds of other fun toys.
Yet mass shootings were rare, and school mass shootings even more rare. And they remained that way until relatively recently.
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and here we go again going in circles you are ignoring everything that doesn't fit your agenda.
Statistics back up my statements. You have provided zero proof of *anything* you've said.
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While another mass shooting occurs and you scream MORE GUNS SHOULD DO IT. rinse and repeat.
There it is. You are unable to make a rational argument to support your point of view, so you just fling shite like an angry toddler.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:54 pm to Basura Blanco
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Who gets to decide who is unstable?
I mean, for better or worse, the same people who have decided what constitutes a criminal act would do that.
Yet we see protestors who only showed up in DC on Jan 6th and caused no disruptions being held in prison or questioned into a trap, yet other protestors show up en masse outside of a USSC justice's house suffer no repercussions. Same with those causing domestic uprisings getting bailed out by the now VP and not one shred of blowback.
We know exactly where this leads to.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:57 pm to mindbreaker
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If you ignored population growth Technological advances in firearms sure. There weren't 17 gun stores on every corner, Walmart didn't exist, Guns were handed down through families. Take your pick. Harder to obtain my arse if anything they have become easier to obtain. oh yeah we have a few more checks to go through but the majority of the population can walk to a gun store from their house and buy one. This was not the case 40 years ago.
Despite plenty of competition this wins “Dumbest Post of the Day” by a landslide
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:58 pm to Sun God
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Despite plenty of competition this wins “Dumbest Post of the Day” by a landslide
You could buy long guns with no background check relatively recently
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:59 pm to fallguy_1978
Fall you remember the only way to get a gun in 1982 was either a hand me down from pops or to join the military
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:07 pm to Sun God
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Fall you remember the only way to get a gun in 1982 was either a hand me down from pops or to join the military
You used to be able to buy guns at Cortana Mall. I got my first shotgun at Service Merchandise
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:14 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:I'm kinda torn because I see what you're saying, and I do think there are some truths to it, but I do think there's just a shite ton of good in the world but we just get exposed to the bad more so, maybe more than ever due to technology.
It’s a slow grind, but don’t act like things aren’t getting worse and worse. The social fabric of our nation is nowhere near as strong as it used to be. Part of it is that people are more justifiably suspicious of authority than ever. our culture is overly materialistic, and the well being of the least intelligent, least healthy, depends on that materialism. And they are legion. The masses. It’s not sustainable.
People are acting wild out there in ways period generations couldn’t imagine. This is apparent to all.
I have kids too, and they will be okay. But they might not. Way less sure about that than my parents were for me.
Just 1 example, but gun deaths in America are lower in 2020 than they were in parts of the 90s and parts of the 70s. Admitted, I think they've spiked from 2020 to 2022, but you can see it's cyclical, it's not something we've never seen before and as bad as it gets.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:15 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Do you consider the US a "polite society?" or the most polite society?
Which part do you disagree with?
We are the most armed.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:17 pm to BilJ
quote:of course not
I don't think a fully armed society prevents any of these recent mass shootings from taking place.
It doesn't make sense to say an armed society is a polite society when the US is the most armed society and leads the way in these random mass shootings.
Putting more guns in the hands of people won't make that magically go away.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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There is no denying the trend for locations/targets of mass violence to be gun free zones or areas where there will be little in the way of resistance.
Of all the options out there to curb the violence, to allow more ease of access to guns is by far the dumbest one.
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