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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?

Posted on 5/24/22 at 7:56 pm to
Posted by Gator5220
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 7:56 pm to
Not. One. Inch.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:12 pm to
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This appears to be a mass shooting that occurred due to dumb luck of where this piece of shite crashed. There is literally nothing that can be done about this.

I love all the downvotes from people that clearly don't know what happened here.



It's not a mass shooting. It's an Active Shooter Incident. Those numbers are up 100% since 2016.

It's not dumb luck anymore. Something needs to change.

I'm no gun control nut. Maybe we put fences around schools. Maybe public places need more security. I don't have the answer. But it's not dumb luck anymore.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62504 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:12 pm to
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Because, according to you, rights don't matter.
And he calls other people “extremists”. It’s preposterous.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44166 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:13 pm to
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t's not a mass shooting. It's an Active Shooter Incident. Those numbers are up 100% since 2016.



Again, the question is why? And more importantly, why is no one focusing on this and instead focusing on restricting legal gun ownership even further?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:17 pm to
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And more importantly, why is no one focusing on this and instead focusing on restricting legal gun ownership even further?

Because the solution will be very expensive and very, very politically unpopular. It would likely involve a large scale reopening of insane asylums and involuntary enrollment.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
48994 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:18 pm to
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why is no one focusing on this and instead focusing on restricting legal gun ownership even further?


No doubt. Every one of these crazy MFers did something to raise red flags years before they acted out.
But if we use this data to label them and subsequently deny them ownership of firearms, we're infringing on their 2nd amendment.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7918 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:18 pm to
Eliminate easy targets aka gun free zones. In most cases, these people are weak people who go after the people who can’t defend themselves. Have security at your schools and churches.

In cases where there is no doubt who committed mass murder, most terroristic shootings, fast track the trial. Death penalty required upon conviction, the whole process should take no more than a couple months.

You could ban guns, but what happens when a guy goes in with illegal guns or a sword? How do you stop a guy running a bunch of people over with a car? Or how do you prevent terrorist style bombings? The problem is the criminal, not the tool they used to commit the crime.

Stop the nonsense of accepting mentally ill people as normal. If someone is weird it’s probably because they have issues. Friends and family should be trying to get them help, not just accepting them for who they are.

As a society there should be movement to limit negative influence on our youth. We shouldn’t expose our kids to violence. We sure shouldn’t let them act it out in realistic simulations, aka video games.

Strive to establish a society in which kids grow up in a two parent home. A society in which spending time with your kids is considered a parent’s number one priority. A person should be looked down upon by society if someone else is raising their kid.

I don’t think any one thing is a fix, but if all these things were done I do think it would have an positive impact on the frequency of these type of events.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:20 pm to
Seems like they all posted weird crap on social media or talked about shooting something up to someone they knew.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44166 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:20 pm to
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How do you stop a guy running a bunch of people over with a car? Or how do you prevent terrorist style bombings?


That would never happen in this country.



Posted by lockthevaught
Member since Jan 2013
2699 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:21 pm to
Theres no solution. This shite will continue until our country breaks up and splits into 2 or 3 different nations. The only thing you can do at this point is protect yourself and your family.
Posted by Footballtimentn
Member since May 2022
501 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:21 pm to
I think we have to make the difficult decision to treat schools like the White House. A gate with armed guards and every bag is searched. I fully believe that would severely limit school shootings. It’s expensive and the optics of it aren’t great but if you believe your kids life is more important than it’s something that in my opinion is the best way to protect schools.

The more challenging thing is mass shootings in other places. I think harsher punishments, mental health reform and some aspects of gun reform (specifically around allowing someone that is known to be a threat have a gun).

Schools honestly is pretty easy it’s just a matter of saying screw the cost, we are going to save lives.

However, the one that always haunts me is the Vegas shooting. I just don’t know of anything that can be done to stop that as the guy had literally zero warning signs and no clear motivation. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do nothing though. I do believe mental health is a factor in most of these shootings so I would start there.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:23 pm to
Unless you're willing to accept limitations of the freedoms we enjoy in the US, I'm not sure there is an answer to this. It may be a very tough reality, but unfortunately this is sometimes the harsh price of freedom.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44166 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:24 pm to
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However, the one that always haunts me is the Vegas shooting. I just don’t know of anything that can be done to stop that as the guy had literally zero warning signs and no clear motivation. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do nothing though. I do believe mental health is a factor in most of these shootings so I would start there.



Again, the question that I ask is that why were these types of shootings incredibly rare for the majority of the 20th century, with firearms easily accessible?

What changed?

I know I have my opinion, but it's a question not enough people are asking.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
71971 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:26 pm to
First, stop with the gun bullshite. The problem isn’t guns. Hell, a century ago you could order a fully functional sub machine gun through the mail for $10. The problem is as a society we’ve cast aside the foundation upon which our society was built. We’ve cast aside reason, logic, and the natural order of the world as God intended. We’ve cast aside manhood and womanhood. We’ve cast aside the roles as fathers and mothers. We’ve cast aside any sense of community and country. We’ve cast aside maturity and a sense of responsibility past whatever suits our desires. We’ve replaced these with a selfish, childish, perverted and twisted narcissistic worship of self where our fellow humans are nothing but objects we either find useful to our wants or useless. We’re now embracing and even celebrating insanity and delusion. We spend our days in mindless self gratification of our most base animalistic desires. More sex, more depravity, more violence. It permeates every facet of media and entertainment.

Just look at society today. Look what we’ve become. How can we look at what we have become as society and be shocked when some insane 18 yr old decides it’s time for others to die? If anything it’s more surprising that it doesn’t happen more often.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40881 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:27 pm to
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but unfortunately this is sometimes the harsh price of freedom

This has to be the answer. The idea that the government can monitor 350 million people to such a degree needed to prevent these incidents is ridiculous. And even if it were possible, who would want to live in such a world?
Posted by HughsWorkPhone
Member since Sep 2017
1434 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:27 pm to
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frick YOUR RIGHTS

I'm sick of innocent children being gunned down so stupid fricking rednecks can pretend they're tough.

frick YOU


If I was a government and wanted a disarmed population I’d rely on shortsighted emotional retards like you to get what I want.

I can show you someone killing far more than 18 with a truck, far more than 18 with an improvised explosive vest, through arson…

I can also show you hundreds of thousands dead by the hands of their own government after giving up their arms.

None of that will matter because you are too emotional to realize it’s not the tool, it’s the human that kills.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21098 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:28 pm to
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Eliminate easy targets aka gun free zones


Amazing how these “gun free zones” are anything but gun free…

If only criminals and the mentally ill obeyed the law….
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:28 pm to
Get rid of public indoctrination schools
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40881 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:32 pm to
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I'm sick of innocent children being gunned down so stupid fricking rednecks can pretend they're tough.

Who wants to bet this authoritarian piece of shite wants to limit the rights of legal gun owners but supports bail reform (so long as they're a minority) for the folks who don't or won't follow the gun laws he wants in the first place? And guess what, half of this country thinks exactly like him, maybe even more.
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