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re: House denies colleges tuition-setting authority (again).
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:57 am to TROLA
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:57 am to TROLA
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The lsu system should be advocating for a constitutional amendment changing the way cuts are forced in lean times
The Representatives and Senators oppose this because 1) they would likely lose funding on their pet projects, and 2) right now there is no accountability for cuts because their hands are tied. Number 2 is the biggest problem. Legislators don't want to make tough decisions and the easiest way to prevent having to do so is to make it where they don't have the power to make tough decisions.
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Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:05 am to Fratastic423
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The state would never get their money back
And what is your argument or logic behind this assertion?
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it would hinder students who are already struggling to afford going to college to better themselves under the fear that they may not finish.
You say fear, I say incentive.
Perhaps if there is something serious on the line for the student then they won't screw around in college and make the most of their opportunity rather than squander it and taxpayers' money.
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If the state is not going to cap TOPS and let schools change tuition then TOPS needs to move towards the idea of a need based sliding scale based on FASFA information.
Yes because God knows only the financially underprivileged should receive any sort of financial merit despite the fact that the scholarships are MERIT-BASED and not FINANCIAL-BASED.
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No reason why the state should pay 100% of tuition for a student whose parents make 150K+.
Again, the student earned the scholarship through hard work and effort during high school. Are you telling me that such work should be nullified due to their parents' financial well-being?
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TOPS is a great program that I benefited from, but as a state and an institution (LSU specifically) we can no longer afford to keep it the way it currently structured.
Then either increase the requirements to obtain TOPS in order to insure that fewer mediocre or borderline students qualify for it, or make unsuccessful students (e.g. dropouts) pay back the state in-full.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:13 am to TROLA
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House Bill 66 by Rep. Thomas Carmody, a Shreveport Republican, would have ended the need for legislative approval for tuition hikes. To stop the increases from hitting the state budget, the bill would have kept the TOPS free college tuition program from covering the additional costs.
Supporters said the measure would help campuses hit with repeated budget cuts and threatened with more. Opponents raised concerns about the impact on students and families.
The bill at hand would have fixed the issue you raise, TROLA. That makes me think that perhaps power really is an issue here.
If tuition goes to the regional average and TOPS doesn't increase, then all those poor students especially poor minority students won't be able to attend... this is all politics.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:20 am to KG6
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My office has a similar policy that if you receive any bonuses, you have to pay them back if you leave the company voluntarily within 12 months. People just get fired or file harassment complaints to not pay back the money. People will find a way around the "pay back" rule in my opinion.
Just curious, isn't your company's present bonus pay-outs based on last years employee service and overall company performance? If so, how do they justify taking someone's bonus that they've already earned?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:22 am to Slippy
You would have to restructure TOPS to do this. Politicians don't want to say TOPS no longer covers LSU instate tuition.
And lets be honest, any LA Politician who talks about that is not going to get reelected
ETA: And the alternative is giving unelected bureaucrats more power
And lets be honest, any LA Politician who talks about that is not going to get reelected
ETA: And the alternative is giving unelected bureaucrats more power
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 11:30 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:27 am to LNCHBOX
Fricking this. Both my parents are RNs our household income was probably in the 150k range. When I graduated they told me congrats and good luck. I was welcome to stay home but from that point on any and all costs (insurance,school,living) were mine and mine alone
What kills me is the kids who have no job, parents help, get TOPS, and they lose it after the first semester. What a waste
What kills me is the kids who have no job, parents help, get TOPS, and they lose it after the first semester. What a waste
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:30 am to KG6
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My office has a similar policy that if you receive any bonuses, you have to pay them back if you leave the company voluntarily within 12 months.
that's a pretty shitty policy.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:15 pm to Nuts4LSU
same thing happens when legis do approve a tuition hike - they turn around and cut the state support, so no real benefit to the school from the tuition hike
Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:32 am to tiger91
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The link I posted said that it started with an income cap.
Weird. In the first year or two of the program, a kid I knew got it and his parents were very wealthy and made a ton of money.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:39 am to Slippy
A suggestion is TOPS could be paid out AFTER every semester based on grades. Maybe >3.5 is a full ride, and a 2.0 is barely anything. Sort of like a loan, with an incentive not to pay it back
If kids are not ready to be serious about school, they'll rack up debt and possibly quit, maybe returning at a later date. If they are serious, they'll have no debt
If kids are not ready to be serious about school, they'll rack up debt and possibly quit, maybe returning at a later date. If they are serious, they'll have no debt
Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:55 am to TROLA
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To be fair.. TOPS has tied their hands in these regards considering they are paying the bill for a pretty large amount of students.
Completely. Reform tops (cap it, put real academic standards on it, whatever) and then give campuses tuition raising authority.
Without TOPs reform, the taxpayers pick up the tuition increases.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:33 am to KG6
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My office has a similar policy that if you receive any bonuses, you have to pay them back if you leave the company voluntarily within 12 months.
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People just get fired or file harassment complaints to not pay back the money.
Could have serious fun with that one. Give two week notice, and then start insulting the boss and his family.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:38 am to Slippy
The University is owned by the State, (citizens), of Louisiana. Shouldn't the citizens representatives have the final say in all fee structures of the University? Big Education needs a haircut.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:42 am to Fratastic423
Hey man frick you
I know lots of people who wasted state money and didn't graduate.
How much money someone's parents make should have no bearing on financial aid. My parents didn't pay for shite.
I know lots of people who wasted state money and didn't graduate.
How much money someone's parents make should have no bearing on financial aid. My parents didn't pay for shite.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 10:56 am to Fratastic423
If they really want smart people to stay in Louisiana and make a positive economic impact, they should make TOPS a loan for everyone.
Collect from students by taking a portion of their LA state income tax in the following x years. Or say no LA state income tax for those that graduate for first 3 years, but pay back your TOPS loan.
Collect from students by taking a portion of their LA state income tax in the following x years. Or say no LA state income tax for those that graduate for first 3 years, but pay back your TOPS loan.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:07 am to lsu02150
They already have that. It's called student loans
Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:18 am to Hammertime
Yeah, but that sounds like a lot of work and applications and bs, for someone that doesn't really need a student loan. I really just want LA to have given my friends an economic incentive to stay here instead of taking jobs in Texas, etc.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:55 am to lsu02150
Economic incentive would be to have more, better paying jobs, better public schools, lower crime, lower taxes, more activities, etc.
No matter how much you forgive student loans, people will leave if they aren't happy being somewhere
No matter how much you forgive student loans, people will leave if they aren't happy being somewhere
Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:18 pm to Fratastic423
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No reason why the state should pay 100% of tuition for a student whose parents make 150K+.
I'm going to skip the obvious point that those are the people who pay the most into the system anyway.
Not everyone is supported by their parents through college. Taking this away from upper middle class kids would be just another pin in the voodoo doll for the upper middle class non minority kids. They are already getting passed over for a large percentage of scholarships because of factors they cannot control. When I graduated, a white male valedictorian from an upper class family that aggressively sought scholarships received $25,000 in scholarships (not including tops). The salutatorian was a black female and had over $250,000 of scholarship offers. She also got into several Ivy league schools that rejected him despite the fact that he had much more impressive extracurriculars.
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