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re: Hotel housekeeper may have prevented a July 4th Mass Shooting in Chicago

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Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35765 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:04 pm to
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What’s illegal about this?


The laws he broke. I don't have the specifics of the charges, but they charged him with what they could.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:04 pm to
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In the Fall, every hotel room around here will be full of guns and ammo.

Well…”around here” isn’t the same as the W on lakeshore. Given the facts shared in the article, there is plenty of reason for suspicion and investigation.
Posted by illuminatic
Manipulating politicans&rappers
Member since Sep 2012
7025 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:04 pm to
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That equals an arsenal ???

A single rifle and 150 rounds (there might have been a pistol too) but that barely registers on the scale of "I went to Academy Sports today to get a new fishing pole and this followed me out the door"


For real. I always rent a hotel room in the city and load the weapons I just bought at Academy before going home.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295322 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:04 pm to
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But at face value, with what we know, suspicious as frick.


Yes, because a maid and city officials who have clearly shown incompetence have told you so.

Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
5047 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:04 pm to
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Did the guy offer any plausible reason to have the rifle with him at the time?


There's really no point in debating this until all of the facts and evidence come in.

The fact that he had all of these weapons in a hotel room overlooking a holiday crowd is suspicious. The fact that the authorities let him go indicates he didn't have a suicide note, "manifesto" or other incriminating evidence laying around that would point to his bad intentions.

I'm sure further investigation will paint a more complete picture, but who knows. The Las Vegas shooter didn't leave any breadcrumbs. But we also live in a country with over 300 million guns. People buy, sell and transport them all the time for perfectly valid reasons. And keeping them in your hotel room as opposed to your car where they could be stolen seems normal to me. He will get the chance to explain himself. If he does a poor job of that, he can expect LE scrutiny for the rest of his life.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21098 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:05 pm to
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The simplest explanation is a dude who fricked up bringing guns to a progressive city.


Wish Paul Harvey was still alive, we could get the rest of the story.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295322 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:05 pm to
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there is plenty of reason for suspicion and investigation.



Whats your opinion?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35765 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:06 pm to
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Yes, because a maid and city officials who have clearly shown incompetence have told you so.


The fricking FBI and Chicago police responded, investigated, and charged him accordingly.

But are we to believe that you, neocon message board poster, knows better than them? You're to the point of being laughable with how ridiculous your suggestions are, and your willful ignorance of the situation.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted by illuminatic
Manipulating politicans&rappers
Member since Sep 2012
7025 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:06 pm to
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have been on hunting trips where we would stay in hotels, the rooms would look like national guard armories when we'd leave the room to go eat or whatever


You should let me know your hunting spots in Chicago.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295322 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:07 pm to
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If he does a poor job of that


They didn't hold him, so I assume he did explain himself well.

Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58823 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:07 pm to
The maid reported a crime
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62508 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:07 pm to
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quote:
Did the guy offer any plausible reason to have the rifle with him at the time?
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There's really no point in debating this until all of the facts and evidence come in.

Somehow I doubt a follow up is coming if he had no bad intent.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21890 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:08 pm to
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If you can use a strawman, so can I.


This was your post:
quote:

The government has failed to prevent every mass shooting since 1789. We know the government fails to prevent is terrible at fortune telling.


Your argument is literally "every mass shooting that has happened has not been stopped. Every mass shooting that has been stopped, is not a mass shooting because it was stopped."

No strawman there.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:08 pm to
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Whats your opinion?
I think it’s suspicious and unusual, but there is also a potentially a reasonable explanation. Hopefully someone follows up on this story with more info.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24533 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:08 pm to
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You should let me know your hunting spots in Chicago.


Oh dear.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88342 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:08 pm to
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You should let me know your hunting spots in Chicago.



State and Rush area
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:09 pm to
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They didn't hold him, so I assume he did explain himself well.
Or he didn’t say a damn thing and they had no ability to continue to hold him.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295322 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:09 pm to
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neocon message board poster,


Oh you urban bubble dwellers are so cute.

Did the FBI or Police charge him with anything other than a weapons violation? You know, after initially investigating and talking to him?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35765 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:09 pm to
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They didn't hold him, so I assume he did explain himself well.


The charges he caught didn't rise to the level of being held without bond.

This has been said multiple times already in this thread.

quote:

So, the day after this guy was arrested you would expect us to immediately tap him as a mass killer?


Never said anything close to that. I said the investigation would reveal his plans, and if they were nefarious he'd catch additional charges.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62508 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:10 pm to
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Your argument is literally "every mass shooting that has happened has not been stopped. Every mass shooting that has been stopped, is not a mass shooting because it was stopped."
The first is true. You added the second sentence yourself.
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