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re: Honest obituary of 20 year old dying from heroin
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:18 am to SabiDojo
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:18 am to SabiDojo
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Actually, if this country had embraced marijuana from the beginning we may very well not have the opiate problem to the degree we have today.
But then we wouldn't have nearly the LEO funding and presence with all of their toys that we have today.
Do we want to live in a world where there's less police making fewer arrests, and putting fewer people in jail?
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:23 am to League Champs
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So if her dealer had been locked away in jail
She would have bought from someone else. This prohibition stuff isnt working.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:24 am to Masterag
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Would you say the same thing about someone in the hood addicted to crack?
Sure.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:24 am to NYNolaguy1
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This prohibition stuff isnt working.
Yet. Give it time.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:27 am to AUsteriskPride
quote:So.....Just for today?
It's really a game changer if you practice it. It teaches you to think in the present, and how all of your emotions that control you are symptoms of thinking in the past/future. You get in the habit of viewing your emotions of the brain, caused by thoughts, as an outside observer. It sounds so simple, but just think how much time you spend dwelling on the past/future, and how it only brings anxiety/fear most of the time, or worse you live your life ignoring now and thinking a future event will change your unhappiness.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:28 am to Marco Esquandolas
quote:whats the point of this statement?
It's not a disease...
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:28 am to LucasP
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Yet. Give it time.
True. We just need to out more people in jail.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 9:35 am to Crow Pie
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So.....Just for today?
No, today is a product of time, this focuses you on "now", and being conscious of the exact present. I would assume an addict could view "today" as a long time, 24 hours have to pass to fill it. But the now is all there is and will be. Even 24 hours from now, if you're conscious and not continuing in a perpetual time-based existence, all there will be is now.
The whole "just for today" thing keeps you waiting for a future time as a "reward".
But anyway, being conscious of your emotions as they arise and observing them honestly in the present, you eventually make a habit of it and can recognize habitual thought processes that keep you always wanting more, instead of being content in the now. Just think of all the lottery winners, they buy a bunch of possessions and believe that with the next purchase they will be content and happy in the present, but it never does. They've habitually spent their life waiting for a future event, living unconsciously in the present.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:18 am to rxrep1997
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rxrep1997
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i am attempting to start a program for parents, greandparents, interested individuals, who need to understand how this can impact us all.
Good luck to you on that mission. If you start it with good intentions to educate and help people, the universe will respond and give you a helping hand. I wish you the best.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:21 am to Tiger Ryno
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Yet nobody wants to get real about how pot opens the door to heroine about 99% of the time.
Absolute bullshite.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:30 am to genuineLSUtiger
We do need serious justice reform when it comes to drugs/drug abuse. Thankfully I think we see the beginning of that. Wish the Feds would follow Rand Pauls lead on a lot of this.
do away with the mandatory sentencing, take a class when caught with 4 ounces and less
do away with the mandatory sentencing, take a class when caught with 4 ounces and less
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:34 am to SabiDojo
This thread kind of hilights why were so far away from real working reform.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:34 am to AUsteriskPride
quote:Just for Now. Seem that it would be even more effective than Just for Today.
o, today is a product of time, this focuses you on "now", and being conscious of the exact present. I would assume an addict could view "today" as a long time, 24 hours have to pass to fill it. But the now is all there is and will be. Even 24 hours from now, if you're conscious and not continuing in a perpetual time-based existence, all there will be is now.
The whole "just for today" thing keeps you waiting for a future time as a "reward".
But anyway, being conscious of your emotions as they arise and observing them honestly in the present, you eventually make a habit of it and can recognize habitual thought processes that keep you always wanting more, instead of being content in the now. Just think of all the lottery winners, they buy a bunch of possessions and believe that with the next purchase they will be content and happy in the present, but it never does. They've habitually spent their life waiting for a future event, living unconsciously in the present.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:44 am to tigerskin
I have no sympathy for addicts. Before it became an addiction, there was some point where they made that choice. I don't think addicts ever mean for it to go as far as it does. But before it goes that far, they damn sure know what they're doing. Did my ex think about her husband and two little boys when she started popping pills, fricking another guy for drugs, and God knows what else? frick no. She only thought about herself. 10/10 addicts are selfish people, because addiction is a selfish thing.
I'll tell you one thing, I fricked up that guy that was giving her drugs. And if the laws didn't protect the criminals in this country, his arse would've been shot. Now I know they say there's always another dealer to take their place, but that would've been one less fricker for someone to go to. So if this girl's father or husband was to kill the pos that she was getting drugs from, they'd be in jail for life. But how can a drug dealer only get probation on their first offense or just a few years for a second offense, yet they have ruined the lives of people? Put those fricks in the electric chair and give the rest of them something to think about.
I'll tell you one thing, I fricked up that guy that was giving her drugs. And if the laws didn't protect the criminals in this country, his arse would've been shot. Now I know they say there's always another dealer to take their place, but that would've been one less fricker for someone to go to. So if this girl's father or husband was to kill the pos that she was getting drugs from, they'd be in jail for life. But how can a drug dealer only get probation on their first offense or just a few years for a second offense, yet they have ruined the lives of people? Put those fricks in the electric chair and give the rest of them something to think about.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This thread kind of highlights why were so far away from real working reform.
The culture of drugs and drug perception is a big reason why.
Yes, addicts will always have choice, but choice becomes harder when you alter the brain's chemistry. It seems people who have strong views against drugs don't understand that many of the substances like meth, cocaine, crack, and opiates change the way the brain processes information and sends/receives stimuli.
The pharmaceutical companies are not only creating drugs that alleviate pain, but also give the patient a sense of euphoria. Doctors are incentivized (or were) to give prescribe these drugs and they had little knowledge of how it would affect their patients. Now that it's harder for people to obtain these drugs, people are turning to heroin. fricking heroin.
We have a criminal justice system that focuses more on asset accumulation and profit rather than being part of the solution to create a safer community. They know necessary reform will most likely result in a decrease of their budget.
Lots of the drugs we are seeing are coming straight from the cartels in Mexico. These are very dangerous people. To those who say the dealers do not destroy lives, you are so very wrong. They kill over territory. The peddlers give free samples until the person is hooked. These are not innocent entrepreneurs. They are people who wouldn't blink an eye if your child overdoses. shite, they hope it happens because it only increases their clientele.
There isn't just one person to blame, and it's ridiculous to me that whenever we do reduce it to one person or entity we almost always blame the user. It's quite preposterous, really. I understand why ex-addicts feel this way. It's how they cope and stay away from drugs. They hold themselves accountable so as to make the right choice. But we, as a society, should know that there is plenty of blame to go around.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:01 am to tipup
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Its always someone else's fault
Well, fault can be shared, no? I don't believe doctors wondered down this path with any ill-intent, as I don't think most fully realized how powerful the drug is and how habitual most people really are.
With that said, doctors can only work with what the patient tells them. If the individual has an addictive personality, it is their responsibility to inform the doctor. I was/am of the addictive nature if I am not conscious of what I am doing, hence I always refrain from any type of opiate. I had wisdom teeth extracted and gallbladder removed without taking any. The body is amazing on its own at lessening pain quickly if given the chance.
Also, another issue in play here is how accustomed we are to instant gratification and comfort. This has seemed to amplify our lack of pain threshold, hence people hone in on how much pain they are having - making it worse than it would be if they distracted from it.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 11:04 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:03 am to SabiDojo
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We have a criminal justice system that focuses more on asset accumulation and profit rather than being part of the solution to create a safer community. They know necessary reform will most likely result in a decrease of their budget.
Lots of the drugs we are seeing are coming straight from the cartels in Mexico. These are very dangerous people. To those who say the dealers do not destroy lives, you are so very wrong. They kill over territory. The peddlers give free samples until the person is hooked. These are not innocent entrepreneurs. They are people who wouldn't blink an eye if your child overdoses. shite, they hope it happens because it only increases their clientele.
Source: Sabi is a Mexican lawyer
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They are people who wouldn't blink an eye if your child overdoses. shite, they hope it happens because it only increases their clientele.
Wait what? Wouldn't that decrease the clientele?
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:13 am to LucasP
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Wait what? Wouldn't that decrease the clientele?
No way. Once users get word that people are overdosing or dying from a specific batch, they are on it like white on rice. It's because they know it's "the good stuff".
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:14 am to SabiDojo
You trolling count
Eta count
ETA why does this keep happening? You count.
Goddammit, c-u-n-t, that's what you are.
Eta count
ETA why does this keep happening? You count.
Goddammit, c-u-n-t, that's what you are.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 11:16 am
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:16 am to LucasP
It's the truth. Do you even Drugs, Inc. brah?
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