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re: Homeowner for the win

Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:36 am to
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:36 am to



quote:

but you cannot actually shoot a guy in this situation unless the burglar does something which would justify self-defense.


If I see someone walking out of my house with my $1200 TV, I am going to feel pretty justified to self-defend it.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8372 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:40 am to
quote:

There is no doubt that I would shoot an intruder that was in my house. Unlike many bleeding hearts, I place zero value on a criminals life. They give up all rights to life when they break in a home.


Exactly. Back in the day, people knew what it meant to be a criminal and the consequences that came with it. Justice was typically served via an arse whoopin or a revolver.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16625 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:50 am to
quote:

The law is very clear they you are not (just because he broke in or stole stuff.


No, the law isn't. Maybe you should read some of those laws.

Some of you that think property isn't a good reason to use lethal force seem to forget that the criminal has already decided it's worth risking their life to get it. Carjacking is almost universally mentioned in CD and SYG laws.
Posted by Sea Hoss
North Alabama
Member since Jul 2013
855 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:08 am to
Luckily only her side of the "Confrontation " can be told now!
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:09 am to
quote:

I see someone walking out of my house with my $1200 TV, I am going to feel pretty justified to self-defend it.


Which will cost more? Replacing the TV or the legal costs involved in the shooting?
Posted by Azranod
The Land of crooked letters and I's
Member since Oct 2013
1152 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:09 am to
How does this line
quote:

Btw more people need to shoot these animals then maybe they would think twice about stealing shite

receive 10 upvotes & 0 downvotes, but this line
quote:

It SHOULD be legal to shoot a thief ANYWHERE on your property! Thin the thug herd.

receives 5 upvotes & 3 downvotes???
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30219 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:10 am to
quote:

“I don’t care if she have her gun license or any of that.


quote:

“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”


So pretty much they feel the law doesn't apply to them and are justifying their family member stealing from citizens.

Not only that, they are berating the law abiding citizen for not allowing their family member to break the law on her property.

They will pretty much justify anything their people do.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:29 am to
Thieflivesmatter

Animallivesdontmatter

Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
12135 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:06 am to
Funniest part about this entire story is the website url, LINK . com/2016/03/11/teen-burglary-suspect-killed-homeowner/
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
18711 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:34 am to
quote:

ou can't defend property with deadly force.


Is that a Florida law? I believe in Texas you can. In fact this is out of the Texas handbook:

quote:

Texas law allows a person to use force in the protection of property to prevent or terminate another’s trespass or other unlawful interference with the possession of real or personal property. Deadly force can be used in Texas when the crime against property is classified as arson, burglary, robbery, criminal mischief at night or theft at night. Deadly force may also be used to prevent a person from fleeing with property immediately after the commission of a burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime if the actor believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means or the use of force other than deadly force would expose the person to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5533 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:50 am to
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This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:54 am
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16625 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:57 am to
quote:

All SYG laws and laws that authorize the use of deadly force are grounded in defense of one's self. Property is not.


This is the 3rd of 4th time you've repeated this lie.

quote:

Your an idiot if you think that you can just roll up to your house and shoot someone while the are running away after burglarizing your house.


I have not once stated that as a particular case. Your inability to parse the details is astounding. It had been pointed out numerous times that there are cases where lethal force is justified when it involves property and the particular situation you keep referring to didn't happen in the OP.

Also, it's "you're". Idiot.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:59 am
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13623 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:05 pm to
If you are going to own a gun, you should also own a shovel.
Posted by Phil A Sheo
equinsu ocha
Member since Aug 2011
12166 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:06 pm to
He loved learnin?? ..Whelp guess he never learned that there are crazier people in this world that will kill you dead..

Good for the homeowner and frick that tards family.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 12:07 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111101 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and go easy on them during the grieving process, but this is absurd.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111101 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:15 pm to
Quote from the detective:

quote:

“If there’s any type of situation that happens or they believe there’s a burglary at the home or any type of confrontation, dial 911. Have the police make that confrontation,” Ferrin said. “That’s what we’re here for.”


Maybe I'm reading a bit too much into it, but it's not always that simple.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
108773 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

You can shoot when defending yourself or others, but you can't shoot someone just because they are committing burglary. Context matters.


Louisiana R.S. 14:20


§20. Justifiable homicide
A. A homicide is justifiable:
(1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.
(2) When committed for the purpose of preventing a violent or forcible felony involving danger to life or of great bodily harm by one who reasonably believes that such an offense is about to be committed and that such action is necessary for its prevention. The circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fear of a reasonable person that there would be serious danger to his own life or person if he attempted to prevent the felony without the killing.
(3) When committed against a person whom one reasonably believes to be likely to use any unlawful force against a person present in a dwelling or a place of business, or when committed against a person whom one reasonably believes is attempting to use any unlawful force against a person present in a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), while committing or attempting to commit a burglary or robbery of such dwelling, business, or motor vehicle.
(4)(a) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40) when the conflict began, against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply when the person committing the homicide is engaged, at the time of the homicide, in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law.
B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle when the conflict began, if both of the following occur:
(1) The person against whom deadly force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(2) The person who used deadly force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.
C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using deadly force as provided for in this Section, and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.
D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used deadly force had a reasonable belief that deadly force was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a violent or forcible felony involving life or great bodily harm or to prevent the unlawful entry.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11302 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”


This is absolutely how many of the hood rats thought process and values are. They are taught that you need to go get yours, if you can steal it, it's ok. If you have to rob, that's ok. Police are bad.

Hood law, if you can move it....steal it. If you can't move it...break it. If you can't break it....take a shite on it.

LINK

Burglars can be killers too. Aramis killed a woman and shot her little girl because he wanted their tv.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 12:41 pm
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
31641 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

Carjacking is almost universally mentioned in CD and SYG laws.


I'm talking about common law and typical self defense statutes, first of all. Carjacking typically involves threat with a weapon and the victim being Ina vulnerable position (in a car).

Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:22 pm to
She only has to claim "I Feared For My Life". It works almost 100% of the time for cops.

She may very well have too. Dunno
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 3:24 pm
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