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re: Homebuyers are now spending 40% of their gross income on mortgage and interest costs

Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:26 am to
Posted by Artificial Intel
Member since Jan 2023
210 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:26 am to
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I think student loan payments starting back will have some measurable impact on the US economy.


What measurable impact on the economy do you think federal student loan repayments will have?
Posted by StreamsOfWhiskey
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Jun 2013
922 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:27 am to
I’m at 7.8% of my salary on property taxes and P&I. We did lock in a 30-year at 2.75%.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53541 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:28 am to
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What measurable impact on the economy do you think federal student loan repayments will have?

A negative one. Plenty of people haven't had to pay one of their largest bills for 3 years. I'm sure some people were responsible and realized that wasn't likely to last, but I also think many were not.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7193 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:32 am to
We closed on a new long term home a couple months ago and PITI is right at 21% of gross. Pretty reasonable with a 6% rate.
Posted by GatorPA84
PNW
Member since Sep 2016
6291 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:33 am to
Is this the thread everyone post their interest rate and percentage of mortgage payment?
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 10:33 am
Posted by threeputtforbogie
Addison, TX
Member since Sep 2017
1008 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:34 am to
Unfortunately, we are part of this group (not into the 40% levels). We bought a house earlier in the year and are eagerly waiting to refinance in a few years. Housing is still strong in the the DFW area and I don’t think it will significantly drop in the next few years since the market has been resilient despite high interest rates. The core issue is a housing shortage with folks with low interest rates from Covid not wanting to sell. WSJ had a great article from last week discussing the dynamic of new home buyers opting for new builds with home builders offering rate buy downs to help folks get into homes. I don’t think there’s much comparison to 2008 as these are completely different markets with different dynamics. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by Artificial Intel
Member since Jan 2023
210 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:34 am to
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A negative one.


In other words, your feelings. Get ready to be surprised.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38734 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:35 am to
This is why high speed rail could be part of the solution for places like Texas. Allow people to spread out to lower cost areas
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29831 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:39 am to
My mortgage is 49% of my on paper income.

They didn't question it.
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
4537 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:40 am to
Finally starting my real job in September

I have no qualms renting for the next few years and letting things shake out

I couldn’t imagine having most of my income going towards a mortgage payment and property taxes and homeowners insurance and upkeep
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53541 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:41 am to
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In other words, your feelings. Get ready to be surprised.

That student loan payments resuming will have little to no economic impact?
Posted by threeputtforbogie
Addison, TX
Member since Sep 2017
1008 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:41 am to
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This is why high speed rail could be part of the solution for places like Texas. Allow people to spread out to lower cost areas


True but the only Texas high speed rail project would link downtown Dallas to Houston, while my work is in Plano. I think DFW should invest more in their light rail in parallel to the north tollway and from McKinney to Plano. Commuter transit systems are pretty poor in the South, but I think there’s opportunity to improve. All that is years away though if it even happens, supporting our decision to suck it up and buy a house.
Posted by sc2anni
at my desk
Member since Feb 2023
616 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:42 am to
When I moved, I paid cash for the cheapest, most original, livable fixer there was on the market. I'm old so will have to pay for the fixing but paid under 40k and it would appraise at over 240k when done according to the home owners ins co.

1920 Craftsman. 10' ceilings, hardwood floors, claw foot tub; bead board walls and ceilings.

A lot of house for the money. Some sweat equity involved. More younger people should look at fixers and do the work. This is my last fixer of 5 and I more than quadrupled my money when I sold the others.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11317 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:44 am to
82% of existing mortgages are below 5%. 62% below 4%. The lock effect has put inventory at record lows and sparked builders to meet what demand there is. Hopefully lower mortgage rates expected over next 9 months will mean a stable winter single family build season.

New homes are now 30% of the total available market. Additional nugget- 60% of mortgage holders are new or refi during the last 4 years.

People aren’t going to be moving as much with new and low interest mortgages. At least for a few years.

New inventory is only thing that is going to get home prices to drop.

When rates get in mid/low 5s (I project March ‘24), look for a mini housing boom.

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This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 10:48 am
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
4158 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:47 am to
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Leave high-cost of living areas.

You can buy a house in Louisiana for 150k that’s 1.4 million in the Bay Area.

In 2014 my In-Laws sold there 4br/2ba 2300 sq.ft. 45y.o. brick home with small yard that needed updating in at least half of the sq. footage in Orange County, Ca. for 1.4 million and purchased in Carriere, Ms. a 2800 sq. ft. 4br/2.5ba 3 y.o. brick home on a huge lot in a very nice subdivision for $365k. Gas in Los Angeles was running as high as $5.32 gal recently. This time last year it was running as high as $6.50 gal. I wish I could find the photo my nephew sent me with that displayed price. It was the first time in his 9 years of residence in L.A. that he considered moving back to the south. Hard headed young man.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22365 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:48 am to
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Ours is 2.375%. It would sting to sell right now. I know we probably won't see those rates again though.

Yup, glad we refied as well. The Chinese are still buying up homes en masse with cash in my state. I couldn’t imagine spending 40% of my income on a 7.5%, 30 yr fixed rate on a home that sold in 2014 for $200k-$300k less than what it is going for today.
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:48 am to
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A negative one. Plenty of people haven't had to pay one of their largest bills for 3 years. I'm sure some people were responsible and realized that wasn't likely to last, but I also think many were not.
There are a lot of idiots out there that run up MORE debt because they thought the student loans weren't coming back - more expensive cars, bought bigger homes or first time homes, more credit card debt, etc. That big student loan payment coming back is going to kick a lot of people in the teeth and it's their own fault.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:50 am to
I keep seeing doomcasting about the market, but until jobs wholesale get cut (they won't) it's all wishing and hoping. Idiots spending this much are just that, idiots. We are below 25% of net with our forced payments, and throwing over a k additional each month against our mortgage.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11317 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:50 am to
We also have record high numbers of multi family units under construction currently…until the cap rate on those disappears.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:51 am to
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In other words, your feelings. Get ready to be surprised.



Youre going to be removing billions from one sector and moving it to the banking/financial sector. It will have an affect on spending.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 10:53 am
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