re: Holding young kids back a year/Repeating a grade.

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not like yall think

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You just posted a story about Barbe and holding back basically an entire team. This happens more than it should and these parents are dolts if that is the reason they do it.

Oh, they look like studs for a bit. Nothing like seeing a 10u team be held back and play it a second year. I am sure they were all valid.

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Almost every large study does not support this.

Every study shows no benefit to holding kids back.

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post the studies...post them

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We held ours back after a long discussion and the fact that he would have started his senior year at 16 and was a touch immature for his age already.

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you think? starting senior year at 16 is way too young and are you trying to suggest that despite your kid makign straight A's he wouldnt have been more mature and better off in both school and athletically if you had held him back?

and at 16 its too late. we are talking holding them back early elementary school.

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I would suggest that the reason the studies show no improvement in academic performance is that a large number of students held back have some learning issues already and holding back alone does not address them.

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exactly most kids held back have learning issues, so the studies are not what i was talking about. and even the ones with learning issues, if caught early and addressed along with grade hold back....it helps them

so even if you have studies they are invalid as they are looking mainly kids that fail, held back for issues with behavior etc

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I have raised three, the biggest challenges for them were adapting to college independence and later real world life. I dont see another year at my house changing this, if you havent prepared them for life by 17, I just dont see a big difference in 18.

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disagree, especially when it comes to boys

will have to agree to disagree

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Again, we held back mainly due to socialization and his interactions with his peers and saw a better social fit in the grade below

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again why do you think that is


thanks for making my point for me

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Do your research. Holding a kid back does more harm than good.

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Based on what, exactly? I do think the older they get, the more likely there is a negative impact. The OP is discussing a 1st grader. That is the time to do it k-2

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I started my senior year at 16 and contrary to popular belief I turned out alright, even though I'm still a tad immature for a 50 year old.

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cool and you would have been much more mature starting at 18.

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I did too, as did my daughter who is extremely successful. We were both mature.

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cool, again...both would have been more mature at 18.

nice strawman though...i did it so it cant be better the other way

or hey look at the studies...the ones that look at kids that failed or have learning issues...those kids didnt get better....well no shite

how about show me a study of kids that were held back so they graduated at 18 and come from loving, stable nuclear families and then i will listen.

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post the studies...post them

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In an effort to be expedient I will post a couple articles and summaries that both reference mostly peer reviewed research. These are just the facts.


Retained kids drop out of school more often

The preponderance of research indicates that academic gains associated with retention were short-term
and not evident several years following the retention while the likelihood of dropping out of school
increased significantly. A

Long-term
• Short-term academic gains dissipate within several years following retention.
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• Retained children are 20 – 30% more likely to drop out of school.19
• Retained students had lower achievement in language arts, reading, math, and social studies
than promoted students.
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Social/emotional/behavioral
Short-term
• Social, emotional, attitudinal, and behavioral effects on retained students were mixed and not
solely negative.
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• Retention is harmful from the student’s perspective.22
• The relative standing of kindergarten retainees was generally favorable when compared with
children from a younger cohort.
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• Retained students in one study examining children in grades 3 – 8 did not exhibit negative
emotional effects; they had confidence in reading or math skills and reported a greater sense of
connectedness to school than at-risk students who were promoted.
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Long-term
• Retained students scored lower on personal adjustment measures than promoted students
though not statistically significant differences in the subcategories of social adjustment,
emotional adjustment, and behavior.25
• Retention is a powerful predictor of failure to complete high school.26
o Students who are retained more than once are at a considerably greater risk of dropping
out.27
• Retention is associated with persons working in low-paying jobs and lower likelihood of pursuing
postsecondary education.2

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nice strawman though...i did it so it cant be better the other way

or hey look at the studies...the ones that look at kids that failed or have learning issues...those kids didnt get better....well no shite

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What are you doing here?

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how about show me a study of kids that were held back so they graduated at 18 and come from loving, stable nuclear families and then i will listen.

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nice strawman though...i did it so it cant be better the other way

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Oh my goodness, really rich. Your evidence is kids that played on the Barbe baseball team got TOPS...any average student qualifies. Christ.

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Well duh, kids who are held back aren’t good students…no shite. It doesn’t make them better if you don’t address the issues. ‘Getting older’ doesn’t fricking work.

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Yet they ones held back drop out of school faster than the bad student that is not retained.

again that study and pretty much all of them that come up are looking at kids that dont do well in school. studies also show kids from broken families, families were parents are not involved with school, parents who dont help with homework etc etc all do worse.

so unless you address those issues of course the ones you look at are goign to show kids drop out at a faster rate when they fail

95% of kids are held back cause they fail....they fail for many reasons that i listed above and also because they are dumb.

so are you telling me that its a shocker that kids that are dumb and come from broken/uninvolved families tend to drop out of high school at a high rate??

fricking shocker there buddy, never would have thought that

but again that is not what we are talking about here

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Your evidence is kids that played on the Barbe baseball team got TOPS...any average student qualifies. Christ.

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i didnt provide any evidence nor claim that i did unlike you.

i gave my opinion and gave some antedotal evidence.

i could be like you and say I was held back and am a successful engineer so all kids must be held back. but i didnt cause thats dumb

i gave my reasons i thought it was a good idea

you then said studies show the opposite and then you get mad when i actually read the parameters and talk about how the study looked at mainly troubled kids who already didnt do good in school, most of which(again according to studies) show come from messed up homes

thats not what we are talking about here

and ftr i could take the multiple studies and look at them and not be able to break them down and understand them....and conclude our complete educational system is racist as frick just based off results. But i wouldnt do that because i actually have the ability to look at the research and see the reasons why certain things are the way they are and not just take the reseach at face value and apply the % to every case

I'll probably reflect what many others have said but from what is in your OP, I'd hold back.

My wife is a 1st grade teacher that also taught 2nd grade. She said the jump is a big one and she would regularly see a kid or 2 that should have been held back and struggled or flat out bombed in 2nd grade. Many times it created behavior issues from their frustration. She did say this 1st grade group is probably the most needy/helpless class she has ever had by far. I wonder if the COVID/Laura gap is playing a part.

Holding back now is a much better option than waiting until later. You will notice it more than he will. My oldest is in 1st and turns 7 in May. He would probably think about it for the first day or two then be completely fine.

At the start of this year, we had pretty much decided on holding back my middle child. He was 4 starting kindergarten with his birthday in September meaning he'll start college at 17. We thought he might also be low on the maturity side so it would benefit him. After the first 9 weeks my wife and his teacher were talking and she basically said no chance he needs to be held back. Apparently he is a little angel at school then the turd comes home and releases all of the energy he has been holding back at school.

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ftr i could take the multiple studies and look at them and not be able to break them down and understand them....and conclude our complete educational system is racist as frick just based off results. But i wouldnt do that because i actually have the ability to look at the research and see the reasons why certain things are the way they are and not just take the reseach at face value and apply the % to every case

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so are you telling me that its a shocker that kids that are dumb and come from broken/uninvolved families tend to drop out of high school at a high rate??

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If you had read the studies, you would not be saying these statements. You go figure it out.

And if you were not going to read em why did you ask me twice to post them?