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re: Higher Entergy bills coming because of Meta Center?

Posted on 8/17/25 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76004 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 5:44 pm to
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Supply and demand. Demand for natural gas will go up which will cause higher rates.


Will go up? LNG facilities we are giving subsidies to have driven nat gas prices through the roof (for La standards).

An LNG announcement will have the OT self gratifying and calling it a win.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
9013 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 6:09 pm to
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Meta is paying for most (if not all) of the construction costs for the three power plants needed to run the data center. Allegedly.


Kind of.

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In publicly filed documents, Entergy says that the tech giant will cover the costs of the three power plants for 15 years.

But the oil and gas companies and the advocacy groups are concerned with Meta's 15-year contract with Entergy, a deal that is hidden from public view, citing proprietary information. They've noted that the gas plants can last between 30 and 45 years, far longer than Meta's commitment to pay.

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Other new costs linked to the data center — including fuel for the plants and a $550 million transmission line — will not be covered by Meta, and are therefore shared by all of Entergy Louisiana's customer
. NOLA.com
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 6:10 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87176 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 6:11 pm to
Entergy is building more power specifically for the data centers. The capital is coming from those tech companies and tax breaks. They are inevitable.
Posted by tiger626
NoLa
Member since Dec 2014
594 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 6:25 pm to
Entergy is the worst for consumers. The amount of employees without a purpose toward the core business of providing power to the consumer is outrageous. They fill the workforce with bloat then asses a “profit” on top and pass along to users with little to no accountability. They could use a doge style assessment and regulators who actually represent the public not their own corruption.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16305 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 6:37 pm to
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Entergy is the worst for consumers.

They’re run like every other large monopolistic utility. It’s a real problem. I used to teach process improvement classes to them. It was comical the shite we would find in simulations. And no one cared about getting any better. They’re second only to govt employees in inefficiency and laziness.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 6:41 pm
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17000 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:20 pm to
I was confused reading that NOLA.com article. Are they covering the operating costs or the construction costs for 15 years? Or both?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137982 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:23 pm to
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They are going to go up, but on the bright side they are also going to use 700 million gallons of municipal water a day.

They’re not using municipal water.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15177 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:23 pm to
Im concerned about power quality issues that these data centers can cause, the hundreds of thousands of AI processors can pull highly variable load as they operate leading to oscillatory behavior, this could create havoc on other loads connected to the system
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
11315 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:01 pm to
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Trump said my energy bills were gonna be cut in half.


Trump said ENERGY not ENTERGY.

LOL
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2857 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:24 pm to
You don’t ask the question and then steal the joke. Lame.
Posted by Tr33fiddy
Hog Jaw, Arkansas (it exists)
Member since Aug 2023
1940 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:13 pm to
I can reduce your power bill by 70% with nothing but a hacksaw, a copper pipe, a hammer and insulated pliers.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
7706 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:37 pm to
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Faster than Entergy wants to deploy is probably more correct. Entergy could increase capacity if they weren't beholden to shareholders and corporate red tape.


I am a shareholder.

Go eat cake.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39807 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:39 pm to
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Anyone hearing this?

For those in the know, how much higher can we expect our bill to be?

An extra $3.50? 350% increase?


If you think that's bad, just wait till you find out what its gonna do to water.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12267 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:39 pm to
I am seeing higher bills with less usage, getting my solar together now. Like 30% higher in one year. CLECO.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39807 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:40 pm to
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Meta is paying for most (if not all) of the construction costs for the three power plants needed to run the data center. Allegedly.


Nope.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16305 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:41 pm to
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getting my solar together now

Make sure you get permission to operate by the end of the year if you’re planning on using the tax credit.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39807 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:41 pm to
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From where?


From the same place you get water from.
Posted by Catahoula20LSU
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
2822 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:45 pm to
Demand for natural gas is going to go up so unless gas supply goes up, the natural gas prices are going to go up.
So, yeah, your electric bill is probably going up due to gas prices. Mets will be paying for all the new substations and power plants, so you should not see a rate increase due that. Fuel costs are probably going hit everyone.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
23525 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:47 pm to
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Faster than Entergy wants to deploy is probably more correct.

It’s across the industry right now. Gas turbines are years out, solar is in customs hell, wind turbines are backordered. And it’s really hard to get project capital with the latest round of Ira/obbb shite.


Its more than just this.

MISO has a 5-7 year queue of generation interconnection studies to do. Thats before its approved and/or material is ordered, which have very long lead times. This is why they (MISO) took the expedited queue to FERC for approval. They will expedite 68 projects before 2027 (yes, Entergy pushed for this because of the long new connections they need for META).

MISO also requires utilities to purchase 50% of their needed capacity years ahead. However, the LPSC decided they wanted Louisiana utilities to have 100% purchased and they must point to a generator resource. This puts a large strain on purchasing capacity long term. No resource will do long term deals and thus capacity charges will go up annually.

Utilities pay for capacity (the surety that generation is available for their needs), energy ( what you actually use, KWH), supplier product charges (for your supplier to find energy by the hour for your needs), and MISO transmission charges (for MISO to be able to do their job). The capacity market is a mess right now.

The state legislature has just made it impossible for generation companies to build solar. The restrictions coming on Jan 1, 2026 are so imposing, that they will not invest in solar in Louisiana. While not the most efficient, it is quickest to the market. You will see a large increase in storage projects coming for peak shaving purposes. MISO accredits battery storage at 95% capacity and its cheap, the capacity, not the batteries.

Sure, the data centers are paying for most of the builds that they require, but the long term maintenance, upgrades, infrastructure upgrades, and variable gas prices will indeed bring costs up for regular customers.
This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 9:49 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16305 posts
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:55 pm to
Doesn’t help that every major infrastructure fund has frozen payments while they reprice all their in flight deals and reaccess future deployment plans. Even once all the approvals are there, the capital is going to be hard to find for any expansion. The banks who own all these assets are pissed off and worried right now.
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