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re: Heroin deaths up 23% in one year
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:22 am to Flame Salamander
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:22 am to Flame Salamander
quote:Apparently not long enough if you're saying that.
I have been on this planet a long time and have seen a lot of doctors during that time and have yet to see one that fits the categorization as of lazy.
quote:No, what I'm saying is that opiates make addicted people come up with all kind of bullshite that they're supposedly in pain with so that they can get more opiates. That is opiate addiction 101.
So, what you are saying is that the reality of the world should be measured by a filter based upon your scale? The world would be frightening indeed if it were so.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 8:25 am
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:58 am to vengeanceofrain
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knew a girl that had to take 20 10mg hydros a day or else she'd get sick. street price that's 10 a pill that's 200 dollars a day that's expensive
10mg of Hydro are not even close to $10/ea but I get what your saying
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:10 am to Dire Wolf
White people dying from drugs--it's an epidemic caused by big pharm and the doctor pushing their pills.
Black people dying from drugs--good riddance. Show some personal accountability and make better choices. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:38 am to Flame Salamander
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How do they become hooked on these opiods? I have never taken anything stronger than codeine or hydrocodone.....and neither of these seemed remotely addictive to me.
OxyContin is the big one. It's literally called Hillbilly Heroin up here. Up until 3-4 years ago, a dentist would hand you a script of it for something as simple as a root canal.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 10:02 am to blueboy
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And then the x-rays came back, and it was time for me to abuse the shite out of them. Good times.
I was only wrong once.
So far..
If you came in for a kidney stone and "can't take Toradol" you are gonna get a "frick off" look from everyone.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 10:11 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:well, what should they prescribe for a root canal?
for something as simple as a root canal.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 10:13 am to logjamming
quote:I try to avoid the race angle whenever possible, but you're spot on. And my post history proves I'm not exactly a bleeding heart when it comes to blacks.
White people dying from drugs--it's an epidemic caused by big pharm and the doctor pushing their pills.
Black people dying from drugs--good riddance. Show some personal accountability and make better choices. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 10:17 am to Dire Wolf
I'd encourage anyone who wants to get an inside look at the heroin epidemic to browse r/opiates. It makes me equally sympathetic and jaded. Sympathetic because even if it was "weakness" that makes you take that exit in the first place, I don't think the level of strength exists in most people to climb back out without tremendous support and multiple failures along the way. And it makes me jaded because there are also a huge number of addicts who are just too far gone to even desire a different life, let alone accept help. It's truly sad.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 10:23 am to CaptSpaulding
Which is why the idea of legalizing all drugs just crazy.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 10:24 am to Dire Wolf
Impossible. Didn't you know we have a war against drugs and Murica never loses?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 10:52 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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well, what should they prescribe for a root canal?
Vicodin, tylenol #3, or Motrin 800mg.
The problem with prescriptions was over prescribing. Oxy for a root canal is ridiculous. But telling someone with a legit exposed root and abscessed tooth to eat Motrin is cruel.
Another problem was a lack of tools available to prescribers to check their patients. HIPPA made a state or national database on prescriptions difficult. We just now have it in use here at places I work.
Making Hydrocodone a triplicate was complete overkill that domino'd into Oxy being even more sought after and leaving the poor or the ignorant to search for heroin.
Crack down on docs that are running pill mills? Sure. that's not too hard. Make patients present an ID when filling a scrip? Sure. You want your Vicodin? you'll cme up with an ID. IMO this could have been done without making Hydrocodone a triplicate.
I find myself at times feeling terrible handing someone a scrip for tramadol when I know their diagnosis is painful. If you broke your ankle in 3 places, you earned some vicodin. If one side of your face is normal and one looks like Shrek? you earned a few Vicodin.
NOW... If you come back after running out? Not my problem. Have Motrin. If we are able to look up your prescription history and see you got 20 vicodin 3 days ago? Sorry.
Those were the holes in the system. The fix that was employed was like killing a roach with a hand grenade.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 11:32 am to LSU alum wannabe
I've avoided posting on this thread...too much pain right now.
Our son, 31, was doing fabulously well after years of heroin dependency. Came home for Thanksgiving. Found him dead that Saturday in our home. Tox hasn't come back but odds are it was cut with fentanyl.
We will never get over this. It's cruel, heartless stuff.
Our son, 31, was doing fabulously well after years of heroin dependency. Came home for Thanksgiving. Found him dead that Saturday in our home. Tox hasn't come back but odds are it was cut with fentanyl.
We will never get over this. It's cruel, heartless stuff.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 11:44 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:I don't remember being given any options. I was too miserable with pain.
I was only wrong once.
So far..
If you came in for a kidney stone and "can't take Toradol" you are gonna get a "frick off" look from everyone.
But I can't say I blame them. I grew up with a guy who went around to all of the area hospitals faking kidney stones to get drugs. He'd even prick his finger so he could put a couple drops of blood into his urine sample. This was a DC hospital, so I'm sure they were used to that kind of thing.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 11:46 am to TigahRag
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shitty people vs. cocaine addicts, crack heads, pot stoners, alcoholics,
Heroin creates a chemical bond with your brain. You stop it and you physically get sick. People hate that sick feeling so they go back. Even when they kick it for long periods of times, they can think about the use andtheir brain will make them feel sick again.
It's so odd to see people go through all that.
On the other hand, no one is truly addicted to pot, it's habit forming, but no one withdrawls from pot.
Cocaine is just mentally addictive, in that your brain says "hey, you need to get some coke" and cocaine is so mentally addictive, you can do it once, not think about it for years, think about it and have the urge to do it. But it's all mental. So coke addicts are truly weak minded.
Unlike Heroin or opiate addicts whose bodies form a need for the drug.
Continued use of alcohol does the same thing, it's actually more addictive than cocaine.
Crack is cocaine with the ph levels of a base instead of an acid like regular coke. Crack forms a strong mental bond, and is similar to coke, but also has a withdrawal process, but much milder than cocaine.
You can't in any way compare opiate addicts with other addicts. Just not the same thing at all. It's easy to see it as the same but the bonds between the user and the drug form the basis of the addictions.
Though I agree Heroin addicts are assholes and I guess I am one too, because I cut off friends who go down that route.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 11:48 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I've never had pain meds for a root canal.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 11:50 am to NyCaLa
Sorry for your loss.
Sad.
Sad.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 11:56 am to Napoleon
Nice break down.
Where does Meth fall in there?
I know one of the biggest problems of meth is it is used in groups and couples socially and meth addicts will keep pulling recovering addicts back into the game.
Seems like meth addicts are the worst when it comes to pressuring friends and paramours into trying meth.
Where does Meth fall in there?
I know one of the biggest problems of meth is it is used in groups and couples socially and meth addicts will keep pulling recovering addicts back into the game.
Seems like meth addicts are the worst when it comes to pressuring friends and paramours into trying meth.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:02 pm to theenemy
Meth I think is similar to heroin as far as dependence. Thankfully Meth never really took over here so I never really came across any meth addicts.
I think Meth is the worst of all drugs, as it's made by redneck chemists who use all kinds of poisonous shite. I also think it only exists in the first place because of the scarcity of cocaine.
Meth and Heroin are the two drugs I would most like to see eradicated. Meth is basically a poison, unlike heroin which is something that in small doses can be seen as a medicine, Meth has no medicinal value. It's cousin amphetamine does, but Meth's only real use was in WW2 it was given to pilots on both sides to keep them awake.
I would imagine meth addicts to be as bad as heroin addicts as far as personal relations with people.
I do know it's chemically addictive as well but it also physically alters its users. Hair loss, skin lesions, tooth loss. Opiates can cause tooth loss as well, and lesions from shooting, but meth is even worse.
I think Meth is the worst of all drugs, as it's made by redneck chemists who use all kinds of poisonous shite. I also think it only exists in the first place because of the scarcity of cocaine.
Meth and Heroin are the two drugs I would most like to see eradicated. Meth is basically a poison, unlike heroin which is something that in small doses can be seen as a medicine, Meth has no medicinal value. It's cousin amphetamine does, but Meth's only real use was in WW2 it was given to pilots on both sides to keep them awake.
I would imagine meth addicts to be as bad as heroin addicts as far as personal relations with people.
I do know it's chemically addictive as well but it also physically alters its users. Hair loss, skin lesions, tooth loss. Opiates can cause tooth loss as well, and lesions from shooting, but meth is even worse.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:09 pm to Napoleon
This entire situation has wild implications all over the map. On the flip side of the coin you have patients with chronic conditions who if not for opioid medications would live in intolerable pain and already high suicide rates for this population group would skyrocket if regulators knee jerk as I suspect they will.
My daughter and I suffer from a chronic condition known as Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and different people with the condition have different levels of joint and other complex pain. Luckily neither of us currently experience the level of pain that some others do that requires occasional to regular opioid treatment but statistically speaking it is likely only a matter of time.
I sure hope that the government and medical community are able to come up with real solutions to this terrible addiction related problem to ensure that people who truly require pain medication aren't out of luck due to impossible regulations. There needs to be some avenue for proven chronic pain conditions.
My daughter and I suffer from a chronic condition known as Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and different people with the condition have different levels of joint and other complex pain. Luckily neither of us currently experience the level of pain that some others do that requires occasional to regular opioid treatment but statistically speaking it is likely only a matter of time.
I sure hope that the government and medical community are able to come up with real solutions to this terrible addiction related problem to ensure that people who truly require pain medication aren't out of luck due to impossible regulations. There needs to be some avenue for proven chronic pain conditions.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:10 pm to Napoleon
Yeah, When the Cartels took over Meth production and started pumping meth over the border it really took off. Alot of long time cocaine dealers switched and now cooks are few and far between since the mexican ice is too cheap to compete against.
Thats what is even more scary about Heroin. Now the cartels are focusing more on Heroin to make up for losses in marijuana revenue.
Thats what is even more scary about Heroin. Now the cartels are focusing more on Heroin to make up for losses in marijuana revenue.
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