re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN

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I am shocked at the consistency of the stories that are coming out about the lack of help from FEMA and the government in general. Friends all along the political spectrum have been telling me the same things and voicing extreme frustration with our government.

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Not sure anyone who has gone through any sort of natural disaster would claim that state, local or federal government did a good job managing resources. Not sure many citizens ever feel like any government agency outside of the Military and the police (if they ain't fricking with the individual in question) ever thinks government is doing or did a good job. Nature of the beast.

I know that everyone in my area is totally bent out of shape over the $750 FEMA relief. Madder than a wet hen about it. This is in a county that is about 90% red and has a huge military presence. If FEMA were to come to most of the people in Columbia County Georgia's front door and personally hand them $750 in cash they would find something about the process that was untenable. These are almost all people who think any kind of government assistance is an attack on them and their ability to fend for themselves. They want that $750 bad though....it is the most important thing in the world to them. Its the damndest thing. I agree with them, the application process is fricked as soup sandwich and it takes way longer than it should....to the point that we have decided $750 aint worth the effort. For the most part these are not needy people....they live in $600K homes and have a couple of $50k cars in the driveways....but that $750 is like the difference between death and survival to them. I would bet almost every one of them thinks it is possible to live large in the United States on the dole and will never admit that their applying for that $750 FEMA check is what living on the dole requires....a fricking shite ton of red tape and constant action on the part of the recipient to navigate that red tape.

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Not sure anyone who has gone through any sort of natural disaster would claim that state, local or federal government did a good job managing resources. Not sure many citizens ever feel like any government agency outside of the Military and the police (if they ain't fricking with the individual in question) ever thinks government is doing or did a good job. Nature of the beast.

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I don't think this is true.

There are going to be individuals who feel that way about any event, but in general since I've been in Florida most people are pretty pleased with how DeSantis and the state has handled storms, for example. And if he were doing a bad job at it you'd see all kinds of stuff in the national media about it, but you don't.

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I don't think this is true.

There are going to be individuals who feel that way about any event, but in general since I've been in Florida most people are pretty pleased with how DeSantis and the state has handled storms, for example. And if he were doing a bad job at it you'd see all kinds of stuff in the national media about it, but you don't.

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Desantis had a favorable rating of 47% and 45% disapproval in September according to a poll of 815 "likely voters". 39% of these self identified as Republicans and 32% identified as Democrats. These numbers make him one of if not the most popular governors in the US among their constituents. Less than half found him favorable and 45% disapproved of him. It is kind of un-American to find anything good to say about Government or elected officials. It is kind of part of our national DNA and for good reason....

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Nature of the beast.

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Or perhaps it's 100% true. Governments aren't worth a shite at handling these situations. Civic organizations are much better and faster.

I am living proof from hurricanes and a flood. I'll burn your ears with my story.

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Governments aren't worth a shite at handling these situations.

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Thats the whole thing though, stuff like this is part of the entire purpose of government, but people screech that its socialism if you help someone whose house got wiped out. To me helping fellow Americans out during stuff like this isn't any different from us collectively paying for defense. It can happen to anyone, anywhere.

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screech that its socialism

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It is because it is a form of socialism but most people despite what they say are in favor of socialism in some forms, just the ones they agree with. It is human nature.

I personally see some major distinctions between effectively providing for some level of insurance in these situations compared to national defence. I do see it much closer to the argument regarding universal health care, the loss of health, years of life and living with some horrible untreated malidy is arguably a lot worse than losing possessians even if that includes the roof over your head.

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The claim you made was about natural disaster approval. "I don't think anyone in a natural disaster approves of how it gets handled". I provided an example and all you could really give me is "well government is unpopular anyway" which actually helps my point since you'd think people would be quick to criticize them in any remotely bad situation and I just haven't found that to be the case before this storm, when its very obvious there have been government missteps.

ETA: Are you a libertarian, by chance?

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The claim I made was 2 fold....that it is unlikely that many people who are going through the pains associated with a natural disaster approve of any agencies or politicians management AND unlikely that many people approve of much of anything that Government does. I stand by that. I have worked Hurrican relief in the past....in my experience it is still raining and the wind is still blowing when people start lambasting every agency and politician within earshot. The same is true of ice storms, wildfires. floods and Tuesdays in June when nothing in particular is going on. Florida may be the outlier, it may be that Floridians LOVE them some government agencies and politicians. It seems unlikely but there is the remote chance that someone somewhere thinks Government is doing a find job. I am sure the politicians will say they are...it may be that things are different in Florida and FEMA does a great job in Florida. There is a storm headed that way as we speak....I will bet a coca cola that the news out of Florida will be more about the malfeasance of government and politicians than a hearty "job well done" but we will see....


I am not a libertarian in that I do not need to reinvent every vestige of our current government and society in an exact mirror image of what we have now except with my stamp of approval on the design. That is what libertarians support....if you talk to one long enough (if you have the stomach for it) they will explain how they would reinvent everything in a mirror image of what we have today. I do think that government is inefficient, bloated, corrupt and inef

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How are people downvoting this video? I had no clue that we had truly vile humans among us. I know we are rough and bust each others chops, but cmon man. Who the frick downvotes that?

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You can’t worry about votes just ignore them. Jesus himself would get downvoted here. Who cares it won’t change the message.

Here is your typical downvoter, thats the highlight of their day. I feel good when I see them as ai know it made some fat slobs day.

Those bots and folks making videos say everyone is lying and there is plenty of fema help help over there and that saying otherwise is their fav word “disinformation.”