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re: Heart attack deaths have soared in all age groups since start of the pandemic
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:45 am to lsupride87
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:45 am to lsupride87
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If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated.
You keep saying this. Can you explain that?
The baseline of young heart attacks is very low. The baseline of older people is much higher.
How did you come to this conclusion which apparently is the basis of your opinion?
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:48 am to Dawgfanman
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Was told vaccine doesn’t prevent covid..by those selling the vaccine and those recommending it, you know different?
These are also the exact same people that say covid came from a wet market. Not a lab leak like us crazy conspiracy theorists been saying...
Ok, it came from a lab leak, but they promise the NIH and Fauci wasn't involved.
"Trust the science"
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
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Ok, point granted to you on percentages
It was the basis of your conclusion.
Didn't you say once your profession was in medical data? This is basic math.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
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I mean the data is out there. Those under 40 are less vaccinated than those over 40
If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated.
I see you are choosing the side of simple thinking. If A doesn't equal B then the answer must be C.
You are also ignoring the rise in myocarditis in young athletic people. It's almost, as if this "vaccine" is affecting younger people differently than older people, along with what the other poster said about the established baseline or frequency of heart attacks already in the elderly.
If this tells you anything, maybe it's that this "vaccine" should have undergone long term, prescribed, testing rather than rushed through. Or, maybe you just don't mandate it, give immunity to the big pharma, and be truthful about the dangers of this vaccine.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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rationality
Isn't this the OT?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:02 am to lsupride87
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The ignorance comes from both sides.
And one side tried to force the other side to do something, in the name of science, that was not supported by science.
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The over arching theme is both covid nor the vaccine has any material effect on death
One of them is naturally occurring, the other is the topic of debate. The latter would have never been developed if the former was first accepted as a truth. Many people dug their heels into their “antivax” position because of the immaterial increase in death, or the obscuring of death data that was being published. You must also accept that in this particular scenario, materiality was expressly ignored (some examples are “if it saves one life” and the use of the ticker counting deaths for the first year of the outbreak) in the development of many policies and attitudes that were a reaction to this.
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How lazy is that?
I find the “both sides” argument to be incredibly lazy as if each position holds equal weight. In many situations, one side is simply a reaction to an overly bold or aggressive action taken by the other side.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:37 am to SlimTigerSlap
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I'm sure someone is looking at the data to determine this, but is it being reported? This shite isn't that hard to figure out if you're in a position with the right data. It should be analyzed for every possible cause until things are ruled out. Check data for everyone that dies from a heart attack for vaccination, having had covid, etc. What stands out as the most common?
Not possible. Vaccination data is straightforward. Covid infection is only reported if a person experiences serious enough symptoms to seek medical attention.
You mean like a heart attack?
If covid is capable of causing heart attacks well after the person has recovered from covid, then there must be some significant change to the person that you would be able to determine if they have ever had covid.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:59 am to lsupride87
quote:But that doesn't fix the Vax is killing everyone and Covid is the sniffles hot takes, so we choose to ignore that!
Yes. The study shows the first rise happens with the first covid wave in 2020. Subsequent rises coincide with other covid waves.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:01 am to Ingeniero
quote:Oh, we definitely ignoring the those 2 studies!
Would also track with the study just released from the American College of Cardiology that studied cardiac events and clots from 2020-2022 and determined that being vaccinated actually reduced the risk of heart attack and stroke
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:45 am to PureBlood
quote:How do you explain the increase coinciding with Covid and not the vaccine rollout? Or do you just ignore info that doesn't fit your narrative?
Yep... definitely wasn't the experimental vaccine they forced on people
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:47 am to OceanMan
quote:And is almsot more simple minded and embarassing because they witnessed the “other team” do it and lambasted them for it, and still choose to do it themselves out of monkey like “you did it first!!”
I find the “both sides” argument to be incredibly lazy as if each position holds equal weight. In many situations, one side is simply a reaction to an overly bold or aggressive action taken by the other side.
The “anti-vax” crowd that is the loudest roasted the left(rightfully so) for fear mongering and blaming anything and everything on covid and posting every story they could get their hands on to make the death toll seem artificially higher
Yet now, here they are, doing the same. It’s amazing to me the lack of self awareness
You won’t find a poster here who was more adamant on ZERO restrictions or lockdowns. I Started thread after thread on how the left was evil for their manipulation with the virus
Yet now, I’m a covidian because “hey man you are letting the team down” for now getting in on the vax fear porn.
It’s just as ignorant to me.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:31 pm to Steadyhands
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I'm sure someone is looking at the data to determine this, but is it being reported? This shite isn't that hard to figure out if you're in a position with the right data. It should be analyzed for every possible cause until things are ruled out. Check data for everyone that dies from a heart attack for vaccination, having had covid, etc. What stands out as the most common?
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Not possible. Vaccination data is straightforward. Covid infection is only reported if a person experiences serious enough symptoms to seek medical attention.
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You mean like a heart attack?
If covid is capable of causing heart attacks well after the person has recovered from covid, then there must be some significant change to the person that you would be able to determine if they have ever had covid.
Without going into factors like being vaccinated and not even realizing you once had covid, the most important word you missed in the original post is "dies."
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:36 pm to lsupride87
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Yet now, here they are, doing the same. It’s amazing to me the lack of self awareness
Well, I won’t disagree with you in the sense that regardless of what side you are on in any given argument, having people just blindly jump on a particular side of the issue that they believe aligns with their position is not a recipe for productive or otherwise thoughtful debate. In other words, when you bring idiots into the fold, positions will become idiotic.
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The “anti-vax” crowd that is the loudest roasted the left(rightfully so) for fear mongering and blaming anything and everything on covid and posting every story they could get their hands on to make the death toll seem artificially higher
But this gets back to my point. The vax is part of this strategy, which sought to compel Americans to take it in order to maintain certain privileges and even rights. They did this with inadequate information and it resulted in what many perceive to be irrational distrust. The problem is, the distrust is very much real, and it’s not just harbored by fringe whackos.
Again, this whole vax mess got started when people and ultimately the federal government tried to force everyone to comply and take it. Tried to force their young children to take it. This was wrong. In the absence of being able to simply decline it, people that can’t otherwise explain their position may grasp at reasons after the fact.
One side created the other. As I stated before the only shot at reconciliation is for people to admit that they were wrong, didn’t think critically about the data being provided and/or overreacted.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:42 pm to Ross
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ntuition says COVID causes some sort of lasting heart issue but I can’t escape the feeling that obesity and unhealthy lifestyles has skyrocketed dramatically in the last three years which isn’t going to help cardiovascular issues
I agree with you Ross. I had covid 2 times and the 1st time took it's toll on me. I was 330 lbs standing 6'3" and was in decent shape but grossly over weight. I had double pneumonia and my heart rate stayed betweeen 90 bpm and 110 for about 2 months. After my second covid was less severe because of immunity, I decided to lose weight and stop drinking. I'm down to 277 lbs and my blood lab work is all normal. I had people, some in my family, beg me to get the vaccine before my first bout with Covid but I refused. When I got got covid, they said "man I wish you would have gotten vaccinated." Watching my diet and not drinking along with lots of exercise and relying on my Jesus have cured me. I was lucky and I feel very blessed.
What toll was it on my heart and lungs? Only God knows. What toll did it have on my mind? A huge toll because I'm not afraid to die now and am at peace. Thank you Jesus for giving me the strength to change!
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:25 am to BurlesonCountyAg
And why would I lie a-hole? Spent an entire week at the Mayo Clinic when it was -18 degrees up there. Cardiomyopathy was the diagnosis. Viral heart disease. Had a thorough physical 3 weeks before I caught that Covid BS and went from a healthy in-shape person to lifelong heart disease. I have two kids and a wife that depend on me to put a roof over their head and food on the table. There isn’t a damn thing funny about what that virus as done to a lot of people.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 7:59 am to RollTide1987
Population reduction is the ultimate goal.
William Gates himself said that.
William Gates himself said that.
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