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re: Heart attack deaths have soared in all age groups since start of the pandemic
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:20 am to OceanMan
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:20 am to OceanMan
quote:I think it’s y’all that don’t understand math.
Yeah How has this got not gotten blasted for not understanding math?
Percentages are percentages as a reason, to take in to account rate of change.yes less young people have less heart attacks normally, but they have also taken less vaccines
Form a PERCENTAGE standpoint, we would not expect the percentage of heart attacks to rise in the less vaccinated and healthiest groups if the vaccine was the cause. I would expect the rise to coincide with the rate of vaccination amongst the groups
This doesn’t even take into account the fact the rise in heart attacks from the study started in 2020, before the vaccine realease
And once again, this is still a covid fest mongering piece. Heart attack rates eh and flow. A 30% rise in this age group over a 3 year period is in no way unheard of, and once again is phrased as “30%”and not given raw numbers for a reason
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 7:23 am
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:21 am to lsupride87
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Yeh nobody actually read the study. The increase started in 2020, before the release of the vaccines.
So you read the study? Did the deaths actually start increasing in 2020 or the period beginning 2020? If there was no increase in 2020, but increase thereafter, there would still be a percentage increase. Did the study include that data?
What would your hypothesis be on the cause of this increase? Given the liberal attribution of Covid as cause of death, are there enough leftovers to also include heat attacks?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:23 am to lsupride87
quote:
Form a PERCENTAGE standpoint, we would not expect the percentage of heart attacks to rise in the less vaccinated and healthiest groups if the vaccine was the cause. I would expect the rise to coincide with the rate of vaccination amongst the groups
This doesn’t even take into account the fact the rise in heart attacks from the study started in 2020, before the vaccine realease
Please read my response immediately prior to this.
You are dead wrong. Just stop.
quote:
10 in 100,000 “young” die of heart attack
100 in 100,000 “old” die of heart attack
Of those 100,000 let’s say 80,000k in the old group get vaccinated and only 30,000k in the young group get vaccinated.
The 80k vaccinations lead to 20 more deaths in the old group, bumping it up 20% to 120 per 100k. So 20 in 80000 is an incidence rate of something like 0.025%.
The 30k vaccinations in the young group lead to 7.5 more deaths with the same incidence rate applied. That is a 75% increase in the young group to 17.5 in 100,000.
Even though they got vaccinated at a rate of less than half that of the older group, the same incidence rate leads to a much higher percentage jump, 75% vs 20%, because they were already way lower and less likely to have a heart attack to begin with.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 7:27 am
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:24 am to OceanMan
quote:Yes. The study shows the first rise happens with the first covid wave in 2020. Subsequent rises coincide with other covid waves.
So you read the study?
That’s what the study concludes the OP linked. Not my opinion, but the opinion of the data and those that conducted the study that the OP chose to link
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 7:25 am
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:25 am to OceanMan
quote:
What would your hypothesis be on the cause of this increase?
Viruses cause heart inflammation
Covid seemed to cause more severe and common heart inflammation than most other viruses we encounter
The vaccine mimics the same body response to viruses as our natural antibodies, which is what causes a good portion of the inflammation
It's going to be particularly hard to separate populations to compare. Even if you split people into vax/unvax categories, it would not be possible to accurately know which of each population had covid, which covid strain, and when (pre or post vax)
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:28 am to lsupride87
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This doesn’t even take into account the fact the rise in heart attacks from the study started in 2020, before the vaccine realease
Would also track with the study just released from the American College of Cardiology that studied cardiac events and clots from 2020-2022 and determined that being vaccinated actually reduced the risk of heart attack and stroke
LINK
LINK
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Damn, a law degree makes someone a medical expert, too.
Everybody should get a law degree and they can just peel off and do whatever is needed.
Everybody should get a law degree and they can just peel off and do whatever is needed.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:31 am to rhar61
quote:
Damn, a law degree makes someone a medical expert, too
What? Nothing I said requires medical training, just a basic understanding of viral inflammation, cause/effect, rationality, and populations in statistical models.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:32 am to SlowFlowPro
The "vaccine" is an instantaneous death serum baw, stop shilling for Pfizer
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:35 am to Ingeniero
I take no sides in this slapfight, but I just came across this on twitter.
LINK
quote:
Dr. McCullough Explains Why the Jab, Not the Virus, Is Largely Responsible for Uptick in Heart Damage
"The vaccines install the genetic code through lipid nanoparticles which circulate in the body ... directly damaging the heart, damaging blood vessels — causing blood clots."
LINK
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:36 am to Ingeniero
quote:
The "vaccine" is an instantaneous death serum baw, stop shilling for Pfizer
Are you still taking the boosters? Your President says you need to continue
to take the boosters. Baw.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:37 am to Bunk Moreland
Nice move. Once the study in the OP was actually being defined on what the reason for the uptick is, pivot to the vigilant fox on Twitter and genetic coding .
Well done bunk
Well done bunk
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:37 am to RollTide1987
It took them three years to admit the pandemic didn’t start from someone eating a bat sandwich.
It took them almost three years to admit masks are virtually useless.
It took them almost three years to admit lockdowns were wrong.
It took them almost three years to admit natural immunity was as good or better than the vaccine.
Now I wonder how long it will take them to admit the vaccine is killing scores of young people who really didn’t even need the vaccine.
I’m not holding my breath.
It took them almost three years to admit masks are virtually useless.
It took them almost three years to admit lockdowns were wrong.
It took them almost three years to admit natural immunity was as good or better than the vaccine.
Now I wonder how long it will take them to admit the vaccine is killing scores of young people who really didn’t even need the vaccine.
I’m not holding my breath.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:38 am to Darth_Vader
Define “them”
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:39 am to lsupride87
quote:
Percentages are percentages as a reason, to take in to account rate of change.yes less young people have less heart attacks normally, but they have also taken less vaccines Form a PERCENTAGE standpoint, we would not expect the percentage of heart attacks to rise in the less vaccinated and healthiest groups if the vaccine was the cause. I would expect the rise to coincide with the rate of vaccination amongst the groups
You may be correct if everyone that got the vaccine also had a heart attack, which we know is not true. You are basically suggesting this could only be a 1:1 correlation, at least for you to understand it.
As an illustration, younger and older groups have an equal population of 1000
base heart attacks in the younger group is 10 and older is 100
If the vaccine kills 1% by heart attack, so 10 in each group, the younger group has experienced a 100% increase while older a 10% increase. To your point, let’s say the younger group is 50% vaccinated compared to older. They still have a 50%increase (they have 5 deaths instead of 10 because less vaccinated) compared to the 10% of the older group.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:39 am to lsupride87
The funny thing is, Jimmy Dore re-tweeted that. Jimmy is a liberal comedian, but he's super anti-COVID vax. He says his second Moderna really fricked him up. Claims that when he had tests run after that, his physician said the vax made his bloodwork look like that of someone with long COVID, even though he never actually had COVID.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:42 am to lsupride87
quote:
pivot to the vigilant fox on Twitter and genetic coding .
Not only that, in the replies there are people pondering if this vaxxed genetic code altering can be passed via respiration. I weep for the true believers who will die because they were forced to breathe our tainted vax cuck air
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:43 am to OceanMan
Ok, point granted to you on percentages
Doesn’t change the overall point of the study that the first crease happened during the initial covid wave of 2020, pre vaccine.
That’s hard to coincide with the vaccine right?
And like I said before, when I see an incident rage of roughly 15/100,000 go to 19/100,000, it doesn’t really scream “soars” or other hyperbolic headlines the media will run with
I still remember the headline “Delta 2 times more deadly for children under 1 than previous strains”
Which was true. But the raw numbers increase was 1 /10,000,000 to 2 out of 10,000,000
Doesn’t change the overall point of the study that the first crease happened during the initial covid wave of 2020, pre vaccine.
That’s hard to coincide with the vaccine right?
And like I said before, when I see an incident rage of roughly 15/100,000 go to 19/100,000, it doesn’t really scream “soars” or other hyperbolic headlines the media will run with
I still remember the headline “Delta 2 times more deadly for children under 1 than previous strains”
Which was true. But the raw numbers increase was 1 /10,000,000 to 2 out of 10,000,000
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:43 am to OceanMan
Don't even bother.
If the math can't be done on his fingers or by counting apples that Johnny brought to class, this chucklehead isn't gonna be able to understand it.
If the math can't be done on his fingers or by counting apples that Johnny brought to class, this chucklehead isn't gonna be able to understand it.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:43 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:, but I just came across this on twitter.
I take no sides in this slapfight
quote:
Dr. McCullough Explains Why the Jab, Not the Virus, Is Largely Responsible for Uptick in Heart Damage
"The vaccines install the genetic code through lipid nanoparticles which circulate in the body ... directly damaging the heart, damaging blood vessels — causing blood clots."
Lol.
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