re: Headline of the day: “Debate over crack pipes holding up funding of US federal government”

LOL what? how do you figure

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alcohol swab, lip balm, and othet materials to promote clean hygene

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I can see the press conference now...

Reporter: "Sir, does this funding and these kits not enable and encourage illicit drug use?"

Biden: "Maybe, but let me talk about how we're shutting down the chapped lips epidemic in this country."

Pauses for a second, and then

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I can guarantee you the spleen or any of the other ones here have never looked at it that way.

"Omg the right worries about the dumbest things!"

Well stop bringing dumb shite to the table

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agreed. i would wager that Sao, Spleen, C on Z, etc. don't want dudes dunking on girls in sports, don't want people to be harmed using drugs, or think all white people cause all problems that black people suffer from today.

i'm confident that they don't believe all of that 100%, but they for some reason feel the need to call out the other side for pushing back.

look, there's a ton of things on the right i disagree on. i'm happy to call them out on that. if we want honest conversation, we have to call out the bad actors on our own side.

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, there's a ton of things on the right i disagree on. i'm happy to call them out on that. if we want honest conversation, we have to call out the bad actors on our own side.

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That's the difference.

I dont ever see the left call out their own. They just stay silent in the corner when one of their own is doing something outlandish. The left has their lemmings trained well. I will give them that

It really doesn't matter if its crack or meth. I don't see a single reason why my tax dollars need to pay for that

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The program targets all drug use. Conservatives honed in on the provision that allows grantees to purchase “safe smoking kits” and turned into a crack pipe debate.

We live in the dumbest timeline.

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You "people" are just fricking sad.

I would love if all you "people" just moved your sorry asses to California and created your own little slice of shite completely cut off from the rest of this nation.

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so it’s odd crack became the boogeyman.

It all started when the Washington Free Beacon was the very first media outlet to run the story of the WH “funding crackpipes”. All other media outlets since then ran with that story without doing any research. That is where we are now and of course our politicians are falling for it.

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Story time is over. Go sit at the kids table or join in the adult discussion. I don't know if Crack pipes are included or not. It sounds like they once were or still are in some states. Whatever, let's just use the term Crack pipes to refer to encouraging drug use and not doing anything to actually try to slow/prevent drug use. You don't see anything wrong with the fed government spending our money on drug related shite that does nothing towards stopping the problem? 2 parts there incase you missed it. One) unnecessary spending, which both sides are guilty, only the right ever tries to stop completely bs spending though. Two) the government is essentially encouraging continued drug use with this spending.

You're okay with that? Or better said, your leaders told you to be okay with that and you are blindly following as usual?

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This is a continuation of funding for the same exact stuff being done under previous administrations.

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Improve access to treatment and recovery services to prevent the health, social, and economic consequences associated with opioid addiction and to enable individuals to achieve long-term recovery;

Target the availability and distribution of these drugs, and ensure the broad provision of overdose-reversing drugs to save lives;

Strengthen public health data reporting and collection to improve the timeliness and specificity of data and to inform a real-time public health response as the epidemic evolves; Support cutting-edge research that advances our understanding of pain and addiction, leads to the development of new treatments, and identifies effective public health interventions to reduce opioid-related health harms; and

Advance the practice of pain management to enable access to high-quality, evidence-based pain care that reduces the burden of pain for individuals, families, and society while also reducing the inappropriate use of opioids and opioid-related harms.

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None of those included giving more drugs to people and/or doing things that encourage the use of (no matter how much more sanitary the methods may be.)

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We can discuss that but ideally you want people to recover so they don't end up in hospitals because that in and of itself is tremendously expensice and places a toll on our hospitals, er rooms, and ambulance services. Those costs are then passed onto paying customers

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And I agree with that. I, in no way, think you or Spleen want people to keep using hard drugs and/or for them to suffer or be a burden on the medical system. I think you’re making a good faith argument. This is my attempt at one back.

Yes of course people using HARD drugs illicitly is a net negative for everybody. The politicians on the right are simply saying that this sort of funding may stop the spread of STDs, but it’s encouraging the use to continue.

I’m not a cold man. I care about all people and view them as God’s vivid and beautiful creation, with our warts and all. But enabling bad behavior in the name of perpetual charity/welfare has been a failed experiment of chasing our tails for 60+ years.

I believe in charity. I’m not in favor of ending welfare. I’m in favor of ending perpetual welfare. I believe in the carrot, but you also have to believe in the stick.

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They aren’t actually providing anything except grant money to local agencies. The things you listed are on the approved list of expenditures the local agencies can use the grant money for. Meth smoking is a bigger epidemic than crack is, so it’s odd crack became the boogeyman.

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The mental gymnastics used here is heroic in effort

The epidemic or whatever you want to call it started with OXY and lax regulation for marketing materials by Purdue pharma in the late 90s. Pretty good docudramas and documentaries available for you to watch. One features a pharmacy baw in Louisiana.

Pain management clinics shouldn't exist IMO. They are fronts to get people hooked on drugs and then forcing them to come back into the clinic for more "pain management".