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re: Headline of the day: “Debate over crack pipes holding up funding of US federal government”
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:35 am to BugAC
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:35 am to BugAC
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I linked the actual bill where they are providing "Safe smoking kits" and "syringes".
They aren’t actually providing anything except grant money to local agencies. The things you listed are on the approved list of expenditures the local agencies can use the grant money for. Meth smoking is a bigger epidemic than crack is, so it’s odd crack became the boogeyman.
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:37 am to whoisnickdoobs
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God damn. I'm with you. The syringes are way worse than crack pipes. No one is actually talking about the syringes. It's all about crack pipes, which aren't in the kit.
But we are talking about syringes. In fact, in this very thread, to the person you are responding to, he linked the bill and bolded “safe smoking kits” and “syringes”.
The rights “propaganda” as led us to the fact that syringes are in the bill, as demonstrated in the conversation you are currently having.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:37 am to The Spleen
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They aren’t actually providing anything except grant money to local agencies. The things you listed are on the approved list of expenditures the local agencies can use the grant money for.
Sweet winning semantic argument there!
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:40 am to Steadyhands
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What do you mean if the left had left these things alone? The left is who made these things issues and pushed this kind of shite to look like they care and try to get more votes.
This was directed at spleen. He always gets into “the right’s phony culture war” diatribes.
I’m offering a mea culpa that yes, out of problems available, teaching CRT, trans dudes going into girls bathrooms or competing in their sports, and handing out syringes is wasting valuable time and political capital.
My response to that is, if the left would stop pushing BSC ideas, the right wouldn’t have to waste time on these things.
Spleen’s solution is for the right to leave these alone and let them happen. I’m countering that narrative.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:40 am to The Spleen
But, what if it's not about making drug use safer, and the real reasoning behind it is to develop a national registry of drug users for the DEA?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:41 am to The Spleen
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They aren’t actually providing anything except grant money to local agencies. The things you listed are on the approved list of expenditures the local agencies can use the grant money for. Meth smoking is a bigger epidemic than crack is, so it’s odd crack became the boogeyman
Lol. In what way is this conversation different if we focused on the more likely substance being smoked?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:43 am to The Spleen
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They aren’t actually providing anything except grant money to local agencies
You dont know shite
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:43 am to SPEEDY
And you wonder why our southern border is so open? Hmmm.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:45 am to The Spleen
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They aren’t actually providing anything except grant money to local agencies.
Oh, well then it's ok then. My bad fellas. Here i was thinking the government was funding crack pipes and syringes, but silly me, they are just funding organizations and telling those organizations specifically what they are allowed to fund, and specifically state the crack pipes and syringes. It's all good now.
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Meth smoking is a bigger epidemic than crack is, so it’s odd crack became the boogeyman.
So you're hangup, is not the "smoking device" but the actual drug they will be smoking? And you're not concerned with said drug, just making sure we get our illicit substances straight? What a stickler for details you are.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 9:47 am
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:46 am to OceanMan
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But we are talking about syringes. In fact, in this very thread, to the person you are responding to, he linked the bill and bolded “safe smoking kits” and “syringes”.
Keep scrolling up. I brought up syringes fist. Everyone else was arguing about crack pipes.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:47 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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go after violent criminals who are trafficking illicit drugs like fentanyl across U.S. borders and into local communities,
We can largely shut this down whenever we want to with a secure border, but of course this administration doesn't really want that.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:49 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Keep scrolling up. I brought up syringes fist. Everyone else was arguing about crack pipes.
In what world do you think any of this matters?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:49 am to 3nOut
I can guarantee you the spleen or any of the other ones here have never looked at it that way.
"Omg the right worries about the dumbest things!"
Well stop bringing dumb shite to the table
"Omg the right worries about the dumbest things!"
Well stop bringing dumb shite to the table
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 9:53 am
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:50 am to The Spleen
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so it’s odd crack became the boogeyman.
It all started when the Washington Free Beacon was the very first media outlet to run the story of the WH “funding crackpipes”. All other media outlets since then ran with that story without doing any research. That is where we are now and of course our politicians are falling for it.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:53 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Everyone else was arguing about crack pipes.
Probably because, their is an argument the left pushes about "clean needles" so the addicts aren't spreading Hepatitis, HIV, etc... I think that's typical ignorant leftist folly and does nothing to reduce/prevent drug use, but that's the argument.
With crack pipes, i've never heard of "give them clean pipes, to prevent..." Which is why there is an outrage/backlash to this.
It's pretty established that the left has ZERO want to stimey illegal drug use. And their flawed idiotic "compassionate care" approach to drug addiction does nothing to stop or reduce the number of addicts, which in turn spreads disease, homlessness, etc...
There is a book called San Fransicko, written by someone who spent his adult life trying to help the homeless and drug addiction across the country. He also was on Rogan's podcast. California is MASSIVELY exacerbating the issue with their idiotic allowances they give the homeless there. There is no attempt at reducing addiction. Only giving them land, shelter, and drug "devices". The left tried to use Europe's model, but they ignored the "you are allowed to have shelter here, but if you are caught using, or have drugs in your system again, you will go to jail for several years". California removed the penalty, and only gave them the carrot. And it's not just California. It's every major Liberal City.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:53 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Keep scrolling up. I brought up syringes fist. Everyone else was arguing about crack pipes.
While the crack pipes are a bit of a red herring, there are indeed state sponsored “safe drug kits” that include pipes. The administration only said that they weren’t including that after people pointed out that California and other states have those kits with pipes clearly listed.
So yes “they’re giving away crack pipes” is a bit of a fallacy, but only after the issue was raised to begin with.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:53 am to whoisnickdoobs
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alcohol swab, lip balm, and othet materials to promote clean hygene
If that's all that is in them and all that is needed, they can already get that for free by walking into any CVS and just taking it.
Biden's America.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 9:54 am
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:53 am to OceanMan
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In what world do you think any of this matters?
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't. It's all a waste of money. I just don't understand why it's a crack pipe argument and not a needle argument.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:54 am to c on z
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It all started when the Washington Free Beacon was the very first media outlet to run the story of the WH “funding crackpipes”. All other media outlets since then ran with that story without doing any research. That is where we are now and of course our politicians are falling for it.
Go back a couple pages, and click on the link to the bill, specifically page 8. Then try again.
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