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Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:14 pm to TheWalrus
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I accidentally got a file with a bunch of salaries sent to me and everything was exactly what I expected.
that is typically the case....the only outlier is generally what companies have to pay new employees versus existing....new folks start out at what tenured employees took 15 years to achieve.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:23 pm to Spankum
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new folks start out at what tenured employees took 15 years to achieve
Very true. I'm a department head that manages 12 hourly employees..75% of which have 20+years experience.
At a recent meeting, with 20+ of the same DH as me and the company COO, CFO and multiple VP, we went around the room talking about at what wage we were hiring new employees..
After speaking awhile, it almost shocked the big wigs when I said we should not expect our loyal employees to stick it out at lower wages than what new employees are being paid. Heads started spinning after that.
Now, we're not talking 100k+ in salary to even people out, more in the neighborhood of like 12k spread out to 8 people. They were astonished at my thinking.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:26 pm to bayouman
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Ive been working with them a few months and the Employee is totally inept and come to find out they started them out making 20k more than I currently do. I have no idea how they sold them selves as being that valuable to the company. I’ve been their almost 10 years.
I noticed the same thing.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:28 pm to RoyalAir
OP, whether you think you’re a winner or whether you think you’re a loser...you’re right.
People get paid what they think they’re worth. So if you think you deserve more, go ask for a raise. If you don’t get it, find a better job and leave.
But being jealous or unhappy cause the other person makes more than you is petty and foolish. Their salary doesn’t affect you, so why the emotions?
People get paid what they think they’re worth. So if you think you deserve more, go ask for a raise. If you don’t get it, find a better job and leave.
But being jealous or unhappy cause the other person makes more than you is petty and foolish. Their salary doesn’t affect you, so why the emotions?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:33 pm to c00per
I just recently started at a new company on Monday. I was doing well for myself but got a call from another company and decided to listen since I wasn’t all that aware of my market to be honest.
Ended up offering me better benefits and a $15K raise. Love my new position and can’t believe I hadn’t looked around sooner.
Sometimes I think we get complacent in the positions we’re already in since it seems stable to us. Definitely learned a life lesson over the last few weeks.
Ended up offering me better benefits and a $15K raise. Love my new position and can’t believe I hadn’t looked around sooner.
Sometimes I think we get complacent in the positions we’re already in since it seems stable to us. Definitely learned a life lesson over the last few weeks.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:38 pm to c00per
Work in government. All salaries posted because FOIA. First two weeks I work here these two come here bitching to me about they make less money. Mind you I just started this job. We're talking like 5K too.
Two more weeks pass they still bitching
Fifth week. I tell them both the reason why they got promoted and they didn't was because of this exact attitude and divisiveness they brought to the team. You can't reward that type of behavior.
What they didn't know was I was told money was appropriated to give them the extra 5K when I saw fit.
I have not seen fit and they won't see that extra 5K as long as that attitude remains and I work in this job.
Two more weeks pass they still bitching
Fifth week. I tell them both the reason why they got promoted and they didn't was because of this exact attitude and divisiveness they brought to the team. You can't reward that type of behavior.
What they didn't know was I was told money was appropriated to give them the extra 5K when I saw fit.
I have not seen fit and they won't see that extra 5K as long as that attitude remains and I work in this job.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:39 pm to c00per
Yes OP, and like you, it really had a negative impact on me. I eventually got past the anger, asked for a raise... was told there wasn’t anything they could do. So I had to change my attitude or change my job, I did both.
At my next job, one of the first documents I saw was everyone’s pay rate
It sounds like you may already be unhappy where you are and this didn’t help. Life’s too short to be unhappy at a job you go to 5 days a week
At my next job, one of the first documents I saw was everyone’s pay rate

It sounds like you may already be unhappy where you are and this didn’t help. Life’s too short to be unhappy at a job you go to 5 days a week

Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:41 pm to tigerinthebueche
It has happened to me twice. Neither had a huge impact. My first job out of college was with a large local cpa firm. All the new hires went through orientation. Both audit and tax. They told us day 1 that their policy was that they paid all new graduates the same. So everyone in the room, maybe 20 in total, regardless of college, GPA, etc all made the same. Then they said that raises and promotions were on merit so after year one that may not be the case. Well I was really good friends with one of the guys and after two years we were on a job out of town together. We were drinking and got to talking and somehow salary came up. We were still making the exact same thing after a couple of raises. So we were thinking either we were both exactly the same to the company, or they gave raises in set amounts, or neither and they just lied and gave everyone a cost of living adjustment.
The next time it happened was hearsay. Another guy that started when we did overheard the new staff that fall talking. Apparently they were all hired in at $1k more than all of the staff that had been there two years. By then word had got around that the raises were all the same for everyone at our level. I think it was just a way for them to control employees and motivate them to think they could grind it out and get paid more. So there was a mass exodus of people with two years of experience and their CPA exam behind them. The company was scrambling to get enough people assigned to jobs and there was this miraculous “market adjustment” mid year when in the past raises had only been annually. I stuck it out another few months and then found another job. Mainly for a bonus we got for traveling so much. I was actively looking but was prepared to wait a few weeks if I had to for the bonus.
The next time it happened was hearsay. Another guy that started when we did overheard the new staff that fall talking. Apparently they were all hired in at $1k more than all of the staff that had been there two years. By then word had got around that the raises were all the same for everyone at our level. I think it was just a way for them to control employees and motivate them to think they could grind it out and get paid more. So there was a mass exodus of people with two years of experience and their CPA exam behind them. The company was scrambling to get enough people assigned to jobs and there was this miraculous “market adjustment” mid year when in the past raises had only been annually. I stuck it out another few months and then found another job. Mainly for a bonus we got for traveling so much. I was actively looking but was prepared to wait a few weeks if I had to for the bonus.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:42 pm to c00per
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Have any of you ever found out how much $ a co-worker makes?
Yes, and it inspired me to successfully demand a promotion.
I was in college and got a temp, part-time job doing bitch work (paperwork, phone calls, etc.) for a computer repair company. They were short-staffed (including an empty supervisor position) and just needed someone for busy times. Since I was temp and I really needed the job I did everything I could to prove my value to the company, which meant finishing my responsibilities as quickly as possible and then assisting with the repairs to show how capable I am. Over time they came to rely on my help.
At the end of the busy season they decided to keep me on permanently but still part time, and they hired a permanent supervisor. They passed over the most senior guy in the department and hired from outside, which pissed off a lot of people who then quit during a time in which we were already pretty short staffed.
I wasn't there that long and already found myself in a position of seniority as we hired new people, but soon after discussing pay with coworkers one day, I realized I had taken on way too many responsibilities for my job code and the company came to rely on it. I was training people and being made partially responsible for people who made more than I did.
I met with my manager and explained to him that over the last few months my job responsibilities had changed to a point where I had become responsible for things far outside of the scope of my job code, and I requested to be recoded, given the raise, and since the job code change would be based on past action, compensate me for the past few months in increased pay.
He balked at my request but punted me to his manager. I explained to him that I was personally invested in the work I was doing, that I have always gone above and beyond in everything that I do, which led to so many responsibilities being put on me, but I accept it because I want to move up in the company, but at this point my position has changed and I should be compensated for it, especially when I'm stuck part time and barely have enough money to eat and have to make tough financial decisions in the days before payday.
I left with a new job title, a $3 raise, guaranteed full time hours, and benefits including health coverage and eligibility for my college tuition to be reimbursed by the company if I am in good academic standing
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:45 pm to ThatMakesSense
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After speaking awhile, it almost shocked the big wigs when I said we should not expect our loyal employees to stick it out at lower wages than what new employees are being paid. Heads started spinning after that.
we have started doing "equity adjustments" from time to time to keep things in order...starting salaries are rising so fast, they will pass up the more experienced folks if you don't do something.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:47 pm to Hickok
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Sounds like they are worth more to the company than you, according to the company. Not taking a shot, but maybe you need to market yourself better and ask for a raise once you start producing more. Plenty of coworkers make more than me, but they also bring in more business, that's how it works.
not how it works

This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:47 pm to c00per
Yeah been there. Trained a guy once who started out making more than me.
Its not the employees fault so I went to my boss. He informed me that he can fire me for talking about money. I informed him that his life was going to get very chaotic without me. I got a promotion with a life changing 25k a year raise.
It was a gamble. I got lucky my boss is a cool guy
Its not the employees fault so I went to my boss. He informed me that he can fire me for talking about money. I informed him that his life was going to get very chaotic without me. I got a promotion with a life changing 25k a year raise.
It was a gamble. I got lucky my boss is a cool guy
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:50 pm to rantfan
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Its not the employees fault so I went to my boss. He informed me that he can fire me for talking about money. I informed him that his life was going to get very chaotic without me. I got a promotion with a life changing 25k a year raise.
It was a gamble. I got lucky my boss is a cool guy
Why you should talk about your salary
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:40 am to c00per
Tenured employees always get focked and taken advantage of by their companies.
Usually, there is little to no reward to productive tenured employees which is why there should be NO loyalty to the company.
Fock them. Move on and get ahead.
Usually, there is little to no reward to productive tenured employees which is why there should be NO loyalty to the company.
Fock them. Move on and get ahead.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:41 am to PUB
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get focked
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Fock them

Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:47 am to c00per
Since I work for FedGov it's pretty easy.
If you know your co-worker's GS level and step you can look it up.
If you know your co-worker's GS level and step you can look it up.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:50 am to Hickok
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Sounds like they are worth more to the company than you, according to the company.
So many people fail to realize this harsh reality. Especially with younger professionals entering old school businesses.
A young tech professional who can make your company relevant and create efficiency with technology that say a 10-year-senior person couldn't do is likely worth more money to the company- Regardless of their tenure or age.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:55 am to c00per
Years ago when I was First out of college, I worked For a large agricultural company. I had Been working there about 3 years and was even going to lsu on recruitment day to talk to potential candidates.
Well anyway we offer this candidate and he accepts. A few months later as a was leaving the office late on night I found a opened envelope in the hallway. My instincts told me not to but I couldn’t resist.
The new kid was making the same salary as myself and i was there 3-4 years. I started updating my resume.
Well anyway we offer this candidate and he accepts. A few months later as a was leaving the office late on night I found a opened envelope in the hallway. My instincts told me not to but I couldn’t resist.
The new kid was making the same salary as myself and i was there 3-4 years. I started updating my resume.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:56 am to c00per
Loyalty is no longer rewarded, the only way to make more is to jump around.
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