- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Has there ever been a communist leader who wasn't a terrible tyrant?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:57 am to Rabby
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:57 am to Rabby
Not everybody who fought in the Cuban Revolution was a Communist. They didn't realize at the time that Castro would somehow accomplish the seemingly impossible task of being even worse than Batista. Castro didn't come out as a communist until a year or two into his dictatorship, and he ended up executing some non-communists who had fought for him in the Revolution.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 12:00 pm to UFFan
quote:
Not everybody who fought in the Cuban Revolution was a Communist. They didn't realize at the time that Castro would somehow accomplish the seemingly impossible task of being even worse than Batista. Castro didn't come out as a communist until a year or two into his dictatorship, and he ended up executing some non-communists who had fought for him in the Revolution.
Same with the Russian Revolution. The Bolsheviks were a vast minority even after Germany sent Lenin back. WWI was crazy bad and the worst time in human history since the Black Death, so the Russians couldn’t imagine that it could get any worse. Boy were they wrong.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 12:07 pm to SallysHuman
Seriously?! Name checks out lol
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:12 pm to UFFan
Including Barry Hussain Odumbf*ck?
Then, NO. They've all been tyrants. But, to be fair, because of human nature, it’s the only way for them to keep their power.
Then, NO. They've all been tyrants. But, to be fair, because of human nature, it’s the only way for them to keep their power.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:13 pm to MMauler
quote:
Barry Hussain Odumbf*ck?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:21 pm to bad93ex
quote:
Plenty of people praised Fidel Castro, or else
fify
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:23 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Communist and tyrant go together like cheese and crackers
Our own government has become a tyrannical crony capitalist overlord. But we and the world are headed for a globalist totalitarian state.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:25 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
And I’d say the actual most competent communist leader was Deng Xiaoping, because he saw communism for the disaster that it was and course corrected:
They still call it socialism with Chinese characteristics. The Vietnamese did something similar. The rivalry between Deng and Chen Yun in the early 1990’s might turn out to be one of the most important debates of the 21st century if China succeeds. Though Chinese state-owned enterprises seem very successful (they might make up more than 50% of the GDP now), I’d wager they hide some really gross inefficiencies.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:33 pm to Twenty 49
quote:
Arguably Yugoslavia’s Josip Broz Tito, but like with Jesus or any other historical figure, not everyone agrees. Some view him as a benevolent dictator who built a socialist empire in the middle of divided Europe, but others complain he was an authoritarian who used political oppression to forge the image of a peaceful country even though folks were deeply divided.
I asked our all-knowing AI how history regards Tito. Here is her response:
Historical Consensus
Tito’s legacy is a paradox: he was both a unifying figure who modernized Yugoslavia and an autocrat who ruled with an iron fist. Western historians often lean toward "benevolent dictator" because his regime was less repressive than Soviet-style communism and delivered tangible benefits like stability and development. In former Yugoslav states, opinions vary:
In Slovenia and Croatia, he’s often criticized for suppressing national identity and centralizing power.
In Serbia and Bosnia, some nostalgically view him as a symbol of a prosperous, united past ("Yugonostalgia").
Globally, his role in the Non-Aligned Movement earns him respect as a Cold War maverick.
Was He a Despot or Benevolent?
Tito doesn’t neatly fit either label. He was despotic in his control—ruthlessly eliminating opposition and maintaining a one-party state—but benevolent in his vision for a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia and his focus on improving living standards. Compared to contemporaries like Stalin or Mao, his body count was lower (tens of thousands repressed vs. millions killed), and his policies prioritized social cohesion over ideological purity. Yet, his failure to build democratic institutions or resolve ethnic tensions left Yugoslavia fragile after his death.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:42 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
Communism, by its nature, cannot exist
It can until the workers realize there's no incentive to work.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:52 pm to Twenty 49
quote:
Yugoslavia’s Josip Broz Tito
Not communist. Socialist yes, but not communist. He actually did not care for the communists and yes, he is still very fondly loved in all of ex-Yugoslavia.
quote:
though folks were deeply divided.
Because Serbs will be Serbs. Ask Croats, Bosnians, Slovaks or any of the other groups and they will all tell you they do not like Serbs. Serbs keep the region divided today. With claims of portions of both Bosnia and Croatia.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:25 pm to UFFan
I haven't seen Alexander Dubcek mentioned.
From Grok:
History views Alexander Dubcek primarily through the lens of the Prague Spring of 1968, where he, as the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, attempted to reform the rigid Soviet-style system with his vision of "socialism with a human face." His efforts to liberalize Czechoslovakia—introducing freedoms of speech, press, and movement, while still aiming to maintain a socialist framework—made him a symbol of resistance against authoritarianism and Soviet domination.
From Grok:
History views Alexander Dubcek primarily through the lens of the Prague Spring of 1968, where he, as the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, attempted to reform the rigid Soviet-style system with his vision of "socialism with a human face." His efforts to liberalize Czechoslovakia—introducing freedoms of speech, press, and movement, while still aiming to maintain a socialist framework—made him a symbol of resistance against authoritarianism and Soviet domination.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:59 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
They still call it socialism with Chinese characteristics
When I was over there, they taught it as “new communism.” Yes, the Chinese know that they’re no longer communists and really the government and market structure they now most resemble is Nazi Germany. Its communist in name only, although you could tell the Boomers and older were still traumatized by it.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:06 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
the Chinese know that they’re no longer communists and really the government and market structure they now most resemble is Nazi Germany. Its communist in name only,
They are state capitalist.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:11 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:
state capitalist
That is what all "communist" countries were and is the downfall of the ideal. Once central authority gets the means of production, they tend to not give it back. Therefore all means of production belong to the state. Capital = means of production.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:12 pm to ThuperThumpin
Communist, Nazi, Populist, does not matter. It is about using some philosophy that enables someone or some party to take power. Next comes some type of "emergency" where the rulers can use their followers in Congress to suspend or unseat the opposition so that they can consolidate power. In other words, Trump.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:12 pm to Spankum
quote:
I don’t know world politics well enough to answer your question specifically, but communism it an economic system as opposed to a political system.
That isn’t accurate. Communism is both and economic system and a political system.
Modern-day China is politically communist but economically, it is quasi-capitalist.
There has never been a politically liberal and economically communist nation, though. It’s impossible. Economic communism requires political force.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:13 pm to Purplehaze
quote:
In other words, Trump.
Sky is falling much?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:13 pm to OMLandshark
They are still committed to the idea, but who knows what that will look like in the future. The issue that could become problematic is if in direct competition with capitalist states which have robust private enterprise free from government interference, those states (such as the US) should have a theoretical efficiency advantage.
Popular
Back to top


2








