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re: Has there ever been a communist leader who wasn't a terrible tyrant?

Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:57 am to
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:57 am to
Not everybody who fought in the Cuban Revolution was a Communist. They didn't realize at the time that Castro would somehow accomplish the seemingly impossible task of being even worse than Batista. Castro didn't come out as a communist until a year or two into his dictatorship, and he ended up executing some non-communists who had fought for him in the Revolution.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 8:23 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 12:00 pm to
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Not everybody who fought in the Cuban Revolution was a Communist. They didn't realize at the time that Castro would somehow accomplish the seemingly impossible task of being even worse than Batista. Castro didn't come out as a communist until a year or two into his dictatorship, and he ended up executing some non-communists who had fought for him in the Revolution.


Same with the Russian Revolution. The Bolsheviks were a vast minority even after Germany sent Lenin back. WWI was crazy bad and the worst time in human history since the Black Death, so the Russians couldn’t imagine that it could get any worse. Boy were they wrong.
Posted by Rip Torn
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 12:07 pm to
Seriously?! Name checks out lol
Posted by beulahland
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 12:09 pm to
No
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:12 pm to
Including Barry Hussain Odumbf*ck?

Then, NO. They've all been tyrants. But, to be fair, because of human nature, it’s the only way for them to keep their power.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:13 pm to
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Barry Hussain Odumbf*ck?
poli
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:21 pm to
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Plenty of people praised Fidel Castro, or else


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Posted by genuineLSUtiger
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:23 pm to
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Communist and tyrant go together like cheese and crackers


Our own government has become a tyrannical crony capitalist overlord. But we and the world are headed for a globalist totalitarian state.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:25 pm to
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And I’d say the actual most competent communist leader was Deng Xiaoping, because he saw communism for the disaster that it was and course corrected:


They still call it socialism with Chinese characteristics. The Vietnamese did something similar. The rivalry between Deng and Chen Yun in the early 1990’s might turn out to be one of the most important debates of the 21st century if China succeeds. Though Chinese state-owned enterprises seem very successful (they might make up more than 50% of the GDP now), I’d wager they hide some really gross inefficiencies.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:33 pm to
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Arguably Yugoslavia’s Josip Broz Tito, but like with Jesus or any other historical figure, not everyone agrees. Some view him as a benevolent dictator who built a socialist empire in the middle of divided Europe, but others complain he was an authoritarian who used political oppression to forge the image of a peaceful country even though folks were deeply divided.


I asked our all-knowing AI how history regards Tito. Here is her response:

Historical Consensus
Tito’s legacy is a paradox: he was both a unifying figure who modernized Yugoslavia and an autocrat who ruled with an iron fist. Western historians often lean toward "benevolent dictator" because his regime was less repressive than Soviet-style communism and delivered tangible benefits like stability and development. In former Yugoslav states, opinions vary:

In Slovenia and Croatia, he’s often criticized for suppressing national identity and centralizing power.

In Serbia and Bosnia, some nostalgically view him as a symbol of a prosperous, united past ("Yugonostalgia").


Globally, his role in the Non-Aligned Movement earns him respect as a Cold War maverick.

Was He a Despot or Benevolent?
Tito doesn’t neatly fit either label. He was despotic in his control—ruthlessly eliminating opposition and maintaining a one-party state—but benevolent in his vision for a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia and his focus on improving living standards. Compared to contemporaries like Stalin or Mao, his body count was lower (tens of thousands repressed vs. millions killed), and his policies prioritized social cohesion over ideological purity. Yet, his failure to build democratic institutions or resolve ethnic tensions left Yugoslavia fragile after his death.



Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:42 pm to
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Communism, by its nature, cannot exist


It can until the workers realize there's no incentive to work.
Posted by UtahCajun
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:52 pm to
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Yugoslavia’s Josip Broz Tito


Not communist. Socialist yes, but not communist. He actually did not care for the communists and yes, he is still very fondly loved in all of ex-Yugoslavia.

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 though folks were deeply divided.


Because Serbs will be Serbs. Ask Croats, Bosnians, Slovaks or any of the other groups and they will all tell you they do not like Serbs. Serbs keep the region divided today. With claims of portions of both Bosnia and Croatia.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted by blueridgeTiger
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:25 pm to
I haven't seen Alexander Dubcek mentioned.

From Grok:

History views Alexander Dubcek primarily through the lens of the Prague Spring of 1968, where he, as the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, attempted to reform the rigid Soviet-style system with his vision of "socialism with a human face." His efforts to liberalize Czechoslovakia—introducing freedoms of speech, press, and movement, while still aiming to maintain a socialist framework—made him a symbol of resistance against authoritarianism and Soviet domination.

Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:59 pm to
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They still call it socialism with Chinese characteristics


When I was over there, they taught it as “new communism.” Yes, the Chinese know that they’re no longer communists and really the government and market structure they now most resemble is Nazi Germany. Its communist in name only, although you could tell the Boomers and older were still traumatized by it.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:06 pm to
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the Chinese know that they’re no longer communists and really the government and market structure they now most resemble is Nazi Germany. Its communist in name only,


They are state capitalist.
Posted by UtahCajun
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:11 pm to
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state capitalist


That is what all "communist" countries were and is the downfall of the ideal. Once central authority gets the means of production, they tend to not give it back. Therefore all means of production belong to the state. Capital = means of production.
Posted by Purplehaze
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:12 pm to
Communist, Nazi, Populist, does not matter. It is about using some philosophy that enables someone or some party to take power. Next comes some type of "emergency" where the rulers can use their followers in Congress to suspend or unseat the opposition so that they can consolidate power. In other words, Trump.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:12 pm to
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I don’t know world politics well enough to answer your question specifically, but communism it an economic system as opposed to a political system.


That isn’t accurate. Communism is both and economic system and a political system.

Modern-day China is politically communist but economically, it is quasi-capitalist.

There has never been a politically liberal and economically communist nation, though. It’s impossible. Economic communism requires political force.
Posted by UtahCajun
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:13 pm to
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In other words, Trump.


Sky is falling much?
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:13 pm to
They are still committed to the idea, but who knows what that will look like in the future. The issue that could become problematic is if in direct competition with capitalist states which have robust private enterprise free from government interference, those states (such as the US) should have a theoretical efficiency advantage.
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