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re: Has anyone talked about the Mr. Beast guy (Chris) going trans?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:26 am to Ross
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:26 am to Ross
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well in fairness you engaged in a lot of that activity despite it not being especially relevant to the question I asked you
That's true, that's just a function of the way I write. I get lost in the details really easily and forget what I'm supposed to be answering. I can regurgitate lots of information with degrees of accuracy and can put it together in a clinically useful settings, which is highly rewarded in medical education, but I still struggle with explaining concepts to laypeople.
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I think the onus of proof is on people in the medical community when certain members of that community assert that the concept of gender is real, meaningful, and needed to describe what we observe in the world and that we couldn't just apply Occam's razor and do away with the concept entirely. The burden of proof is also on them to bridge the gap between whatever this concept of gender is and our notions of biological sex to show that it makes any rational sense whatsoever to use this concept of gender to justify hormonal treatments.
I mean, I agree, but it doesn't mean other spurious claims should be given merit for no other reason. If the claims are 'trans people are generally like this' without something specific to back that up (as in data), then we enter the realm of the experiential, and there hasn't been a good reason offered that I should put someone else's experience over my own, especially when I feel my experience has been extensive.
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:27 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Popular culture is driving the medical field to come up with a scientific foundation to justify this stuff.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:28 am to upgrayedd
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Apparently now he's possibly trying to converting his kid too...
The Groomers will be here soon to mock you and tell you that this either isn't real, or that they really aren't coming after the kids.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:29 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:29 am to upgrayedd
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Popular culture is driving the medical field to come up with a scientific foundation to justify this stuff.
This is correct
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:30 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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The Groomers will be here soon to mock you and tell you that this either isn't real, or that they really aren't coming after the kids.
Not only that, but they'll tell me how this is all scientifically proven to be a natural process backed by "the studies"
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:31 am to upgrayedd
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Apparently now he's possibly trying to converting his kid too...
This type of shite is no different than parents who beat their children. Abuse and should result in the child being taken away from that dangerous situation.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:31 am to crazy4lsu
Do you know a lot of well-adjusted, productive, wholesome trans folks? To me it's a silly question because they're inherently not well-adjusted, but you seem to be suggesting your experiences might differ?
I'm sure they exist, but I don't think that's the lived experience for the huge majority of people in this country who approach this objectively (which is probably a tall ask considering the likely social outlooks/political beliefs of those who congregate with trans people).
Not to mention that most of the most well-known people claiming a trans identity certainly don't fall into this category.
I'm sure they exist, but I don't think that's the lived experience for the huge majority of people in this country who approach this objectively (which is probably a tall ask considering the likely social outlooks/political beliefs of those who congregate with trans people).
Not to mention that most of the most well-known people claiming a trans identity certainly don't fall into this category.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:32 am to tiggerthetooth
Hell, the biggest bombshell as of late was how studies have shown that depression isn't a chemical imbalance. We've been doping people up on SSRI's for decades because "the science" was proven and beyond reproach.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:35 am to GhostofLesticleMiles
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Is observation not part of the scientific method?
Uh, do you think observation by itself is somehow a proxy for the entirety of the scientific method. It's one part of the method, but we need something falsifiable and we need to agree on some part of the phenomena we are studying.
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Most have given you multiple observations that you have in someway dismissed.
They haven't given me anything. I have my own observations and experiences, which I would suggest are more extensive than your own. Yet, when I would form an argument, I wouldn't use those experiences by themselves to convince you.
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You previously attempted to insult most by insinuating that it was to complicated and we wouldn't be able to understand it
With bad-faith morons, I expect very little.
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Also, the onus is not on me to prove your argument.
What? Are you following the thread at all?
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Most in this discussion have challenged it with simple cultural and political observations.
And I challenged it with an admittedly poorly written overview of just some of the science. It would take much longer to broach the true breathed of it, and aspects of it would move me, as in references to specific loci which can modulate androgen response, but would not move you, because you have no frame of reference for pathology (I'm guessing). The cultural and political stuff seems silly as hell and uninteresting.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:36 am to diat150
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one day people will learn that consumers dont want trans bullshite blasted at them all day every day.
What’s interesting is that it’s not.
Like the whole Dylan Mulvaney Bud Light stuff: you see the controversy Everywhere but you don’t actually see Mulvaney Budweiser ads everywhere. You see the actual ads on Mulvaney’s social but I haven’t seen shite out in the world.
And then you see 300000000 article and tweets about it.
Me Beast is different because this is someone in the show, but j don’t follow or watch Me Beast and everything I’ve seen about this is 3rd parties talking about the controversy.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:36 am to crazy4lsu
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but I still struggle with explaining concepts to laypeople.
Yet again we as a group, the dissenters, are not smart enough. Got it. You can't articulate it, but we aren't smart enough to understand.
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then we enter the realm of the experiential
Is this attempt to explain "Transgenderism" at the molecular level not experimental?
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there hasn't been a good reason offered that I should put someone else's experience over my own, especially when I feel my experience has been extensive.
You live your "truth" bro!
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:36 am to jnethe1
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This type of shite is no different than parents who beat their children. Abuse and should result in the child being taken away from that dangerous situation.
Physical abuse is one thing, but this is mental abuse in the name of "love and acceptance" which is far more sinister IMO.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:37 am to crazy4lsu
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Is there data for this?
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I was hoping for something more specific,
Plenty of freebies on pubmed, but it's evident that you have decided on your stance and will defend it no matter what studies I link you to. If someone mentions data you'll talk about your experience. If someone tells you experience you'll ask for data, Round it goes.
By the way
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The most common comorbid condition I saw was definitely Asperger's.
Was removed as a diagnosis 10 years ago or so.
You're just telling me you really don't know much about psych over and over, which is fine, why would you - but you are waaaaay outside of your wheelhouse on this topic.
It doesn't help you appear emotionally invested, have friends etc., which prevents you from being objective.
Last thing I'll add to this thread, the AMA's/APA will change their stance as soon as the lawsuits start rolling in en masse. Can't wait to see what comes in the next 10 years.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:37 am to upgrayedd
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Popular culture is driving the medical field to come up with a scientific foundation to justify this stuff.
Exhibit "A" for this phenomenon (for me at least) will continue to be the AAP silently rolling back a 20+ year old position that small children seeing their parents' faces while talking is vital for development because it was interfering with arguments for masking.
I held on as long as I could against the idea that the medical/scientific community would so blatantly create findings to support a desired end, but that did it for me.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:39 am to Pettifogger
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In any reasonable society, wouldn't something as simple as "Things happen and hurdles can be overcome, but single parenthood is not the ideal for you or your child and as a culture we want the best for adults and children" be a reasonable stance for a government/influential institution to take? But some 1/3 of the country would likely scream and cry about that, perhaps some on this board, and therein lies the problem. You can't even get the discussion off the ground. We can't collectively fix problems when 1/3, 1/2, etc. don't see a very obvious problem as a problem
All part of LBJ's "Great Society" plan.
Although I doubt even that evil bastard would envision how far they would take it
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:39 am to father2sons
He would be a former friend for me. I'd say I hope you get the help you need but I'm not exposing my kids to you.
edit: the youtube content creator is the epitome of the narcissistic gen z kid
edit: the youtube content creator is the epitome of the narcissistic gen z kid
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:40 am to Pettifogger
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Do you know a lot of well-adjusted, productive, wholesome trans folks? To me it's a silly question because they're inherently not well-adjusted, but you seem to be suggesting your experiences might differ?
Have you heard of Buck Angel? I think he is an example of a pretty well-adjusted wholesome trans person. He(or she if we're being technical) has used his platform to interview multiple detransitioners.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:41 am to Pettifogger
The notion that the medical/scientific field is apolitical and science-driven was completely destroyed during covid. It's likely been like that far before 2020, but that year exposed it quite well.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:45 am to Pettifogger
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Do you know a lot of well-adjusted, productive, wholesome trans folks?
That depends on us agreeing on what this means in an objective way. I don't know what 'wholesome' means in this context. Regardless, do I know trans people who are difficult to distinguish from 'regular' people in their countenance? Yes, absolutely. Do I also know trans people who have much more obvious struggles? Yes. Do I know trans people who I find annoying? Yes. In terms of professions, there were a few professors, a few librarians, more programmers, and one who runs a motorcycle shop. I'd definitely describe my best friend as really well-adjusted too.
I hadn't really thought to contextualize what their transition period was like, especially the ones I met after they transitioned. That would be an interesting discussion to have though.
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