re: Happy Reformation Day!

The reformation was nothing more than a land, power and money grab by the powers of Europe at the time.

Those same powers paid with land, the Catholic Church to build and operate churches, hospitals, universities and other public works for centuries.

Luther challenged the church's authority which gave an excuse for the rulers to take back (steal) the land and infastructure that the Catholic church built and owned.

Thousands of churches were converted, universities and hospitals into private hands or the hands of the royalty.

All of this was accomplished under the guise of religious reforms.

So for all Prostestants who want to celebrate the reformation today, just be aware of what you are celebrating. Heresy and Theft.

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Y’all get old men in fancy costumes and cool architecture. It’s a fair trade off.

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Touché

not a wild fantasy. just do an AI search. You think it was all over doctrine and scripture? LOL. Be real. As they say follow the money.

Here is an exert from a google search using ai.

Yes, the Catholic Church held vast land across Europe for centuries, much of it used for public institutions—and the Reformation led to widespread confiscation of that property.

Here's how it unfolded:

?? Church Land Holdings Before the Reformation
By the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church had become one of the largest landowners in Europe. Monarchs, nobles, and laypeople donated land to the Church for religious, charitable, and educational purposes.

These lands supported monasteries, hospitals, universities, and churches, forming the backbone of medieval public infrastructure.

Church institutions often operated as social service hubs, offering care for the poor, education, and medical aid.

?? The Reformation and Land Seizure
The Protestant Reformation (16th century) triggered a seismic shift. Reformers like Martin Luther challenged Church authority, and many rulers saw an opportunity to seize Church lands.

In countries like England, Germany, and Scandinavia, monarchs and nobles confiscated Church property, often under the guise of religious reform.

England’s Dissolution of the Monasteries (1536–1541) under Henry VIII is a prime example: thousands of monasteries were closed, and their lands redistributed to the Crown and nobility.

In German territories, secular princes appropriated Church lands to consolidate power and fund their administrations.

kings encouraged, supported and financed Luthers efforts because they knew they would be able to seize the lands and properties. Dont think for a moment that it was all so innocent. You think one little old Catholic priest was able to create the biggest betrayal of the church all by himself? He was supported by the same powers who saw the opportunity to enrich themselves. He was a useful fool.

you mean the same kings who were crowned by the popes?
The same kings who asked the church to build their infastructure for them because they didnt have the knowledge or ability to build it.

Then after paying the church with land to build, run and maintain said infastructure, they steal it from the church under the guise of creating a new religion and claiming it for themselves. yeah those honorable kings LOL.

So for 1500 years there was only the Catholic Church representing Christianity and the rulers of Europe depended on the church to build up society and they did. But oh now the popes are corrupt because us corrupted kings want to steal the land we paid the church with. I see how you think.

I guess your ok with canceling the check you wrote for repairs and drive off with the repaired car.

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Still better than the pedophiles.

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Pedos go where the kids are

Seems like everyday in TX there’s another pedo who is caught at a school, who then tried to cover it up

Fact is: pedos saw a place where people wouldn’t question their being single and unmarried. They then became priests

What percentage of men are pedophiles?

Child molestation stats from studies by Dr. Michael Seto at the Royal Ottawa Healthcare Group tentatively suggest that as much as 5% of men are pedophiles

At the end of 2023, within the 3,041 ecclesiastical jurisdictions in the Catholic world, there were 406,996 priests
A study published in 2019 revealed that from 1946 to 2014, .004% (1670 individuals) belonging to the Catholic clergy were accused of sexual abuse of minors. That is less than half of 1% of all priest over a 73 year period.

On the other hand

Key Findings on Sexual Abuse in Protestant Churches
• Southern Baptist Churches: A 2019 investigation by the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News found that approximately 380 Southern Baptist leaders and volunteers had faced allegations of sexual misconduct since 1998, resulting in over 700 victims.
• Convictions: Of those, more than 200 ministers, deacons, and others were found guilty of sexual abuse.
• Insurance Claims: Over a 20-year period, more than 7,000 claims of sexual abuse by church staff, volunteers, or clergy were filed with just three insurance companies, indicating a broader issue across Protestant denominations.
Protestant Christian Sexual Abuse Statistics
The statistics reveal a concerning pattern of sexual abuse within Protestant Christian congregations. Here are some key points:
• Over 7,000 claims of sexual abuse by church staff, congregation members, volunteers, or clergy were made to just three insurance companies over a 20-year period.

Widespread sexual abuse cases in Southern Baptist churches were reported by the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News on February 10, 2019. The report found roughly 380 clergy, lay leaders and volunteers had faced allegations of sexual misconduct, leaving behind over 700 victims[1] since 1998. The extent of misconduct is further complicated by work within the Southern Baptist Convention to move sex offenders to other communities and resist attempts to address the culture of abuse.[1]

There are 3 insurance companies that shield the pastors and churches and just pay off the victims. They do this to shield and protect the abusers. The media dosent cover it and they keep it quiet.

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McLemore

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I would bet big money i know RC doctrine and history better than 99% of RCs. Easy bet.

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you would lose

What do Protestants think of all the Marian apparitions at places like Fatima and Lourdes ? What about all the healings at Lourdes ? The conversions of the Mexican people attributed to Our Lady of Guadalupe? Why should we believe Pastor Jim from Kenner interpretation of the English translation of Bible more than the Church Fathers all who believed in the true presence in the Eucharist ? Which Protestant denominations are the “ real ones “. Etc etc

Trillions? That's impressive! Thanks for the info.