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re: Guy criticizes traffic lights, state fines him $500

Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:36 pm to
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Probably because after 2 years, it isn't worth any more hassle.


Think of it more like traffic court. When you get a ticket, you have the right to go before the court and argue against your guilt in the matter. If you know you were speeding or thought it wasn't worth your time, you just pay the ticket and go about your day. That's what he did.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:37 pm to
Not surprisingly, this whole hubbub is being pushed while several political action groups are promoting bills around the country to weaken licensure.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:37 pm to
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Think of it more like traffic court.


No, I'll think of it like it actually is.
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If you know you were speeding or thought it wasn't worth your time, you just pay the ticket and go about your day. That's what he did.


You're right, this is what he'd s doing now.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:43 pm to
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You can be fined in Louisiana if you try to pass as an engineer.

The guy is an engineer.

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The man was also told to stop referring himself using the word “engineer”, despite having a degree in electrical engineering from Sweden.


Oregon fined this guy for what amounts to not having a licence to do math.

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According to the Board, Järlström had no right to criticize the length of yellow lights and talk about his ideas with “members of the public” because he’s not an Oregon-licensed engineer.

According to Oregon, you have to have their permission to do math.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:46 pm to
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You're right, this is what he'd s doing now.



No, he's working as a front for political groups trying to reduce licensure requirements for engineers now.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:47 pm to
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The guy is an engineer.



By law, he is most certainly not.

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Oregon fined this guy for what amounts to not having a licence to do math.


Do tell what your degree is in. Did it come with a lollipop?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:52 pm to
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No, he's working as a front for political groups trying to reduce licensure requirements for engineers now.


So you're not even going to touch the fact that they fined him for one sentence? I'll take your silence as agreement.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:53 pm to
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So you're not even going to touch the fact that they fined him for one sentence?


Huh? Why would I need to touch it? He broke the law. He paid the fine. He won't win his lawsuit. Touch that.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:57 pm to
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Huh? Why would I need to touch it? He broke the law. He paid the fine. He won't win his lawsuit. Touch that.



If you agree that that one sentence breaks the law, frankly you're not worth having a discussion with.

Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:57 pm to
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Do tell what your degree is in.

Chemical Engineer. I've practiced in mostly in LA and Texas. No license, because I am not doing work for the public; you don't need a licence to do work for a private company nor to do math.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:57 pm to
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but there is a well-defined procedure for arguing against board findings. He elected to forego those procedures. As such, he relinquished his legal right to argue it.

that's insane if he's not part of their little syndicate

so by simply existing, he gives up all normal and proper due process rights afforded him? c'mon

even if that is how Oregon has skewed their system, then THAT becomes the story. you'r basically creating governmental licensure gestapos that can fine people at will and prevent them from exercizing due process to defend themselves. that's insanity. legit fascism

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It's like taking a small claims case straight to the Supreme Court. It just doesn't work like that.

nope

it's nothing like that

i'm going to also turn you into the LSBA and AG because you just practiced law without a license
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:57 pm to
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Chemical Engineer. I've practiced in mostly in LA and Texas. No license, because I am not doing work for the public; you don't need a licence to do work for a private company nor to do math.



Owned.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:58 pm to
Jester is looking like a moron in this thread.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:58 pm to
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Not surprisingly, this whole hubbub is being pushed while several political action groups are promoting bills around the country to weaken licensure.

licensure is almost always terrible

as i said in my thread on this yesterday

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it's just a way to increase the barrier to entry, typically due to political pressure from professional groups to limit their competition

government loves it b/c it creates an ally for more government (when called upon) and it gets to spend that sweet, sweet stolen booty
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:01 pm to
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Do tell what your degree is in.

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Chemical Engineer.


Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:02 pm to
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Chemical Engineer. I've practiced in mostly in LA and Texas. No license, because I am not doing work for the public; you don't need a licence to do work for a private company nor to do math.



If you have a business card with "Engineer" on it, you are breaking the law.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:02 pm to
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If you have a business card with "Engineer" on it, you are breaking the law.


Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:03 pm to
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If you agree that that one sentence breaks the law, frankly you're not worth having a discussion with.


It does break the law, though. If you want to argue the merits of the law, fine, but the law is very clear.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:04 pm to
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i'm going to also turn you into the LSBA and AG because you just practiced law without a license


1. No I didn't
2. I didn't say "I am a lawyer."

Would you hire a lawyer who can't pass the bar exam?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:04 pm to
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If you want to argue the merits of the law, fine

pretty sure that's literally what the guy in OP is doing
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